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Dentro de un complejo de estafas: la historia de Mohammad Muzahir, parte 1

51 min

Te damos de nuevo la bienvenida a Fraudology.

Esta es la historia de un superviviente. Mohammad Muzahir, también conocido como Red Bull, es el informante que denunció los ciberdelitos en el reportaje de WIRED que reveló cómo funcionan los complejos dedicados a las estafas. Logró escapar de uno de ellos y ahora dedica gran parte de su tiempo a ayudar a grandes organizaciones a entender cómo operan.

Estudiaba informática y buscaba una forma de financiar sus estudios de grado en el extranjero cuando un amigo de un amigo le ofreció un puesto de responsable de TI en Laos, en la región del Triángulo de Oro. El puesto no existía. Lo que vino después es una historia de trata de personas y, al mismo tiempo, de fraude. Este episodio del pódcast Fraudology se sitúa justo donde ambas se cruzan. Hablamos de cómo funcionaba la oferta de empleo falsa, de cómo es el día a día en un recinto dedicado a las estafas y de cómo a las personas obligadas a trabajar allí se les proporcionan guiones, identidades falsas y cuentas robadas para llevar a cabo estafas románticas y de inversión en criptomonedas. No es una conversación fácil, y espero que te ayude a tener una visión más completa de las personas que hay a ambos lados de la pantalla.

Esta es la primera parte de una conversación en dos partes.

Lo que escucharás en este episodio:

  • Cómo es por dentro un complejo dedicado a las estafas, con edificios de decenas de plantas, largas jornadas de trabajo y multas que mantienen endeudados a los trabajadores
  • Cómo una oferta de trabajo falsa y una cadena de contactos de confianza llevaron a un joven graduado en informática de la India a un complejo dedicado a las estafas en Laos
  • Por qué muchas de las personas que llevan a cabo estas estafas son víctimas de trabajo forzoso y por qué Mohammad también se considera una víctima
  • Cómo la biblia narrativa dota a cada identidad falsa de una infancia, una ciudad de origen, una rutina diaria y una respuesta para cada pregunta
  • Cómo la manipulación de las víctimas de estafas románticas convierte la confianza en una inversión en criptomonedas, con ganancias ficticias y pequeños retiros iniciales
  • Por qué un estafador puede preparar a una víctima para que ignore las advertencias del banco incluso antes de que entre en la sucursal
  • Lo que dice Mohammad sobre las cuentas antiguas de redes sociales robadas y cómo se utilizaron los procesos de recuperación en contra de sus propietarios
  • Qué aportan sus 4.200 páginas de pruebas, compartidas con Andy Greenberg de WIRED, a lo que saben los investigadores

Deberías escuchar este episodio si:

  • Trabajas en prevención del fraude, gestión de riesgos o confianza y seguridad, y quieres entender mejor cómo se organizan las personas que están detrás de estas estafas
  • Apoyas a víctimas de estafas y quieres entender por qué confían tanto en una identidad ficticia
  • Capacitar al personal de bancos o cooperativas de crédito que habla con clientes que están siguiendo las instrucciones de un estafador
  • Trabajas en la prevención de la apropiación de cuentas o en la integridad de las plataformas de redes sociales y quieres saber cómo se utilizan las cuentas robadas
  • Quieres conocer la perspectiva de un superviviente sobre cómo una oferta de trabajo falsa acaba convirtiéndose en trabajo forzoso
Notas del episodio

Una oferta de trabajo falsa y una deuda que te persigue

A Mohammad le dijeron que el trabajo estaba remunerado con unos 1.700 dólares al mes, lo que parecía una oportunidad para ahorrar para sus estudios. Un amigo le recomendó a un contacto en Laos, que a su vez lo puso en contacto con un agente que organizó el viaje. Según cuenta, el agente le fue dando las instrucciones paso a paso, y le quitaron el pasaporte al principio del viaje y nunca se lo devolvieron. Solo al llegar descubrió la verdad. Un encargado le dijo que no había ningún trabajo de informática y que tendría que estafar a otras personas. Cuando dijo que quería marcharse, le respondieron que debía pagar los gastos de su traslado hasta allí. No tenía dinero para saldar esa deuda y no les contó a sus padres en qué consistía realmente el trabajo por miedo a lo que pudieran hacer. Este tipo de captación se basa en la confianza en el amigo de un amigo, y la deuda que arrastra el trabajador hace que marcharse sea casi imposible.

La vida cotidiana dentro del recinto

Mohammad describe torres de entre 30 y 50 plantas, con varias oficinas en cada planta y cientos de personas en cada oficina. Los trabajadores pasan entre 14 y 15 horas al día frente a un ordenador. El primer día le entregaron cuentas antiguas de redes sociales con la autenticación de dos factores ya configurada, junto con tarjetas SIM para crear cuentas nuevas. Recibían formación todos los días. La cadena de mando iba desde los jefes de habla china hasta los trabajadores, pasando por los responsables de equipo, con traductores como intermediarios. Los responsables de equipo y los jefes podían ver las cuentas y los mensajes de cada trabajador e intervenían para hacer correcciones. Incumplir una norma suponía una multa. El sueldo mensual de Mohammad era de 3500 yuanes, y las multas podían ascender a miles de yuanes. Su contrato duraba un año y, según él, todo el sistema se sostiene sobre la deuda. Quienes están frente al teclado a menudo no tienen otra opción, lo que debería cambiar la forma en que quienes combaten el fraude ven a las personas que están al otro lado de la pantalla.

La biblia de la historia

La biblia del personaje es la parte que más quería comprender, porque Mohammad dice que toda la estafa se sostiene sobre una sola historia. A cada identidad ficticia se le asigna una infancia, una comida favorita, una profesión y una vivienda en una ciudad real. La investigación llega hasta los hospitales, parques, restaurantes y campos de golf cercanos a esa vivienda. Las fotos se obtienen de sitios públicos. Cada trabajador lleva una agenda diaria, la comparte en un grupo de seguimiento y tiene preparada una respuesta para cualquier pregunta que pueda hacer la víctima. Mohammad tenía dos biblias de personaje: una para una empresaria y otra para una mujer que gestionaba varios restaurantes y gasolineras. Para la víctima, la confianza parece surgir de un vínculo personal. En realidad, se ha construido con una investigación minuciosa y un guion.

Cómo la confianza se convierte en una inversión

Mohammad dice que los plazos dependen de la víctima. Con una persona adinerada, pueden pasar meses conversando antes de plantearle una inversión. En la modalidad que muchos conocemos como «matanza del cerdo», las víctimas ven ganancias ficticias en una plataforma controlada por los estafadores y se les permiten pequeños retiros que les hacen confiar en ella. Cuando alguien intenta retirar una cantidad elevada, aparece una nueva comisión o un impuesto. Los guiones también incluyen a un tío con experiencia o alguna forma de arbitraje con inteligencia artificial para que la posibilidad de obtener ingresos pasivos parezca creíble. Los estafadores pueden incluso preparar a las víctimas para que desoigan cualquier advertencia del banco, diciéndoles de antemano que este solo quiere quedarse con su dinero. Mohammad fue obligado a participar en la estafa de dos personas. Dice que no fue decisión suya, que después lloró y que se prometió reparar el daño. También señala que tanto la víctima como el trabajador están siendo utilizados por quienes están en la cima, por lo que considero la empatía una herramienta para combatir el fraude y no una mera cortesía.

Cuentas robadas y las señales de las que ya disponen las plataformas

Mohammad describió las cuentas utilizadas en el recinto como robadas, con años de antigüedad y protegidas mediante autenticación de dos factores. Le dije que, a mi juicio, un inicio de sesión desde Laos en una cuenta a la que normalmente se accede desde California es un indicio de que alguien se ha apoderado de ella. Dijo que había visto cómo las plataformas bloqueaban una cuenta y pedían una verificación facial, y que los trabajadores simplemente mostraban sus propias caras y recuperaban el acceso. Esa es su experiencia, y afirma que ocurrió cientos de veces. Creo que las plataformas y las empresas que dependen de ellas ya disponen de los indicios necesarios, como los cambios de ubicación, los procesos de recuperación de cuentas y los comportamientos que ya no coinciden con los del titular. Tras salir de allí, compartió 4.200 páginas de datos con Andy Greenberg, de WIRED. Esas pruebas son una de las principales razones por las que ahora sabemos cómo funcionan estas operaciones.

Puntos clave
  • Los centros de estafas captan a personas mediante ofertas de trabajo falsas que circulan entre amigos y contactos de confianza, y se dirigen a quienes necesitan empleo o dinero para sus estudios.
  • La confiscación de pasaportes y las deudas por los gastos de viaje impiden que los trabajadores se marchen.
  • Muchas de las personas que llevan a cabo estas estafas son víctimas de trabajo forzoso, y tratarlas únicamente como responsables de delitos supone ignorar parte de la realidad.
  • La vida cotidiana en un recinto implica largas jornadas de trabajo, formación diaria, vigilancia por parte de los jefes de equipo y multas por incumplir las normas.
  • Una guía narrativa dota a cada personaje de una vida detallada, con información documentada sobre lugares reales y respuestas preparadas.
  • La confianza en una identidad ficticia se construye durante semanas o meses antes siquiera de plantear una inversión.
  • Las ganancias ficticias, los pequeños retiros iniciales y las comisiones posteriores hacen que las víctimas sigan invirtiendo.
  • Los estafadores pueden predisponer a las víctimas a ignorar las advertencias del banco, por lo que el personal debe conversar con ellas con paciencia y empatía.
  • Las cuentas robadas con un largo historial dan credibilidad a una identidad falsa, y las plataformas ya cuentan con indicios, como los cambios de ubicación, que permiten detectarlas.
  • Los testimonios y las pruebas aportados por las víctimas, incluidas las páginas que Mohammad compartió con WIRED, ayudan a los investigadores a comprender cómo funcionan estas operaciones.
Conclusión final

Los complejos dedicados a las estafas no solo son centros de operaciones fraudulentas, sino también de trata de personas. Quien escribe a una víctima puede ser un trabajador al que le han quitado el pasaporte, que sigue un guion escrito por otra persona y está vigilado por un jefe. Eso no reduce en absoluto la pérdida que sufre la víctima. Lo que sí significa es que hay más personas implicadas de las que solemos mencionar y que el trabajo de un equipo de estafadores está vinculado a la trata de personas. La segunda parte explica cómo Mohammad identifica los deepfakes y cuenta cómo logró salir del complejo.

Recursos y enlaces del episodio

Conecta con Mohammad Muzahir | LinkedIn
Denunciante de ciberdelitos
Investigador de ciberdelitos y analista de fraude
Especializado en prevención y detección del fraude
Investigador de OSINT y concienciación sobre ciberseguridad
Experto en ingeniería social y ciberdelincuencia
Experto en estafas de tipo «pig butchering»

Conecta con Karisse Hendrick | LinkedIn
Presentadora del pódcast Fraudology
Experta galardonada en ciberfraude
Consultora en prevención del fraude en el comercio electrónico
Asesora de startups, conferenciante y
consultora para empresas de la lista Fortune 500

Episode transcript
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Karisse Hendrick
00:07
Welcome back to the Fraudology podcast.
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Karisse Hendrick
00:09
Today we have a really special guest that I'm excited
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00:13
to learn from and I know you will be too.
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00:15
To kind of bury the headline, he escaped a scam center
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00:19
and he's now dedicated a lot of his life to helping large
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Karisse Hendrick
00:23
organizations understand how those are working.
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Karisse Hendrick
00:26
His name is Mohammad Muzahir. He's also known as Red Bull.
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Karisse Hendrick
00:30
If anyone reads Wired on a regular basis, he was the cyber crime
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Karisse Hendrick
00:34
whistleblower in a Wired article not too long ago in an article
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00:38
that really uncovered a lot of what was going on in scam centers.
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Karisse Hendrick
00:43
So, I'm really excited to talk to him.
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Karisse Hendrick
00:45
It is 9 after 9:00 at night my time uh so that we
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Karisse Hendrick
00:48
can make sure that uh we could hop on a call.
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Karisse Hendrick
00:51
Mohammad, welcome to Fraudology. I'm so glad you're here.
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Mohammad Muzahir
01:01
Thanks. Thanks cuz you having having me here.
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Karisse Hendrick
01:05
Yes. Oh, thank you. I'm very excited.
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Karisse Hendrick
01:07
We're going to start from the very beginning and then we're going
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Karisse Hendrick
01:11
to go through, you know, the what a lot of my listeners will
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Karisse Hendrick
01:15
call the fun stuff, though I know it wasn't fun for you. Um,
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Mohammad Muzahir
01:19
Okay.
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Karisse Hendrick
01:21
So, what country did you grow up in?
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Mohammad Muzahir
01:24
Basically, I'm from India. I grew up here in India.
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Mohammad Muzahir
01:27
I'm 24 year old.
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Karisse Hendrick
01:28
Okay.
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Mohammad Muzahir
01:29
So I have completed my diploma in computer science engineering.
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Karisse Hendrick
01:33
Wow.
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Karisse Hendrick
01:34
And how you got involved in in working for a scam center,
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Karisse Hendrick
01:37
especially you know with a college degree in computer engineering?
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Mohammad Muzahir
01:43
No after completing my diploma in computer science engineering.
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Mohammad Muzahir
01:47
Uh I want to continue my bachelor's study there in abroad.
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Mohammad Muzahir
01:51
So there's studying there in abroad for that I need too much
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Mohammad Muzahir
01:55
money to getting admission visa and everything there.
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Mohammad Muzahir
01:58
So I was thinking I need money so from where
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Mohammad Muzahir
02:01
I get money and continue my study.
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Mohammad Muzahir
02:03
So at that time one of my friend.
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Mohammad Muzahir
02:06
He was very close to me, he was my best mate in college.
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Mohammad Muzahir
02:09
He said he have a friend he is currently working there in Laos
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Mohammad Muzahir
02:13
and he will help you to get job there as a IT manager.
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Karisse Hendrick
02:21
Ah,
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Mohammad Muzahir
02:23
So the salary is also very good there around 1,700 USD monthly.
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Mohammad Muzahir
02:26
So you will earn too much money and it's good.
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Mohammad Muzahir
02:29
After 1 month, after one year, two year, you will
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Mohammad Muzahir
02:32
get back and you will continue your study.
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Karisse Hendrick
02:35
Yeah.
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Mohammad Muzahir
02:36
So I thought it's okay because he was my friend
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Mohammad Muzahir
02:39
and the another guy was his friend. So I thought it's good.
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Mohammad Muzahir
02:43
No problem.
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02:44
So when he contacted the guy he was working in the
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Mohammad Muzahir
02:47
Laos he gave us a number of another agent.
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02:50
The agent was Ethiopian.
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02:51
So he said he said he will help me to get
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Mohammad Muzahir
02:54
job there, visa, everything this this.
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02:57
And he said to me you just need to book your ticket
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Mohammad Muzahir
03:00
from India to Bangkok when you arrived Bangkok
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Mohammad Muzahir
03:03
then contact with me this this I said okay.
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Mohammad Muzahir
03:06
So I I booked my ticket. It was the first time I flew to abroad.
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Mohammad Muzahir
03:10
I booked my ticket. Yeah.
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Mohammad Muzahir
03:12
Booked my ticket and then go to the Bangkok.
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Mohammad Muzahir
03:15
When I arrived at Bangkok airport, then the agent
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Mohammad Muzahir
03:18
gave me a direction told me you need to get
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Mohammad Muzahir
03:21
bus from there and need to come sharing.
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Mohammad Muzahir
03:24
There is a place name uh in Thailand is name is Chiang Saen.
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Mohammad Muzahir
03:28
Chiang Saen district.
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Karisse Hendrick
03:32
Okay.
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Mohammad Muzahir
03:33
So I just took the bus from Bangkok to Chiang Saen.
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03:36
I arrived there after 12 12 13 hours.
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Karisse Hendrick
03:41
Wow.
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Mohammad Muzahir
03:42
When I when I when I arrived there.
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03:44
So, uh agent told me you just need to take
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Mohammad Muzahir
03:47
your selfie and need to send me.
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Mohammad Muzahir
03:49
So, I did same I just took my selfie and send the agent.
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Mohammad Muzahir
03:52
Then after that uh I was actually at the time I
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03:56
was standing outside the immigration office.
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03:59
Chiang Saen immigration office immigration office.
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Karisse Hendrick
04:04
Okay.
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04:05
One of the immigration officer come from inside
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Mohammad Muzahir
04:08
and he called me said hey this is you just
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04:10
show show my selfie and said this is you.
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Mohammad Muzahir
04:13
I said yes this is me come inside.
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Karisse Hendrick
04:17
So they were working with the immigration officers.
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Mohammad Muzahir
04:20
Yes this is very big story if I like uh if I tell
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Mohammad Muzahir
04:23
you the whole truth of everything about everything
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Mohammad Muzahir
04:26
so like it's take too much time.
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Karisse Hendrick
04:29
Okay.
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Mohammad Muzahir
04:29
So he he took my passport and he took he told me give me 500 kib.
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Mohammad Muzahir
04:33
I give him.
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Mohammad Muzahir
04:34
And uh unfortunately you know uh like you you know there is a
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04:38
many country like uh in the world they are not charging uh you
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04:42
know tourist for existing existing the country whenever we exit.
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04:46
So nobody is charging but he charged me 500. I gave him 500 kib.
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Mohammad Muzahir
04:51
Then after that he told me uh he come with me and
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04:54
he told me just go down because there is a river between
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04:58
Laos and uh you know Thailand is Mekong. Mekong River.
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Karisse Hendrick
05:12
Yes.
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Mohammad Muzahir
05:13
So he told me the officer told me there is
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05:15
a boat there waiting for you go down.
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05:18
So I just put my back down and get
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05:20
me pass and go down on the boat.
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05:22
So when boat crossed the Mekong River and uh got there the
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05:26
Golden Laos side when when boat arrived at Laos side.
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05:30
So I just out from the boat and I saw there
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Mohammad Muzahir
05:32
is a another man he was waiting for me.
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05:35
He showed my selfie and said yes he
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05:37
told me give me your passport.
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05:39
I give I give my passport then after that uh he helped
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05:43
me to pass the immigration Laos immigration office
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05:46
even without checking my bag and nothing.
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Mohammad Muzahir
05:49
They just gave me business visa for 3 months.
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Karisse Hendrick
06:01
Wow.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
06:01
Put business visa on my passport and this this then I when
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
06:04
I got out from the immigration office there is another Chinese
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
06:09
man was standing outside the immigration office.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
06:12
Then he took my passport from the another Chinese guy.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
06:15
Then uh he told me wait here.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
06:17
Then I wait here around 1 hour I think 1 hour 1
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
06:20
hour 10 - 20 minute after 1 hour 20 minute the
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
06:23
same agent came to me with the white van.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
06:36
Oh
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Mohammad Muzahir
06:37
Yes. So he told me he was because he was already knowing me.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
06:41
He said come sit.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
06:44
Wow.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
06:44
Then at at the time the the agent I was connecting with
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
06:47
he gave too much around I think five 6,000 or maybe 10
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
06:51
20,000 Chinese yuan to the uh you know Chinese guy.
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Mohammad Muzahir
06:54
He was having my passport.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
07:01
Wow.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
07:03
And then after that uh Ethiopian agent collect passport,
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
07:06
my passport and bring me in the van and we
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
07:09
travel toward the night stay for hotel.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
07:12
He told me you just agent just just uh
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
07:14
helped me to book a hotel for me. He said you just stay here.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
07:18
So we will help you to give you an interview at like I'm going
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
07:22
to uh contact with any company then I will let you know.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
07:26
I will bring you in the company office
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
07:29
we will give interview there.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
07:34
Wow.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
07:35
I said okay. I said okay.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
07:36
At the uh another evening time uh he came to my
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
07:39
hotel and told me we are going for interview.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
07:42
I said okay I I was I was okay I was happy. I said okay.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
07:46
Then then we arrived at the building and they took my interview
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
07:50
you know typing speed and we have speaking in English.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
08:07
Ah
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
08:09
I I'm able to text in English or not. They said your post.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
08:12
I said okay.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
08:13
Then they said you you have a knowledge
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
08:16
of Facebook and this Instagram.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
08:18
This is I said yes I have a knowledge.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
08:20
I would everything actually in the interview center there is a
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
08:24
one Chinese post and one is the translator Ethiopian translator.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
08:28
Because Chinese people mostly not understand many Chinese
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Mohammad Muzahir
08:32
scammers or mafia they not understand English language.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
08:36
Ah
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
08:37
There is there is a translator.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
08:39
Oh there's translators.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
08:41
Yes, translator they like uh they the all
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
08:43
the translators they know Chinese.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
08:46
Both the Chinese masters giving them command in Chinese
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
08:49
and then they translate and tell us in English.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
08:54
Oh interesting.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
08:55
Yes.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
08:56
So they told me suddenly that when I told them asked
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
08:59
them yes I am good for the IT manager job.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
09:02
They said there is no IT manager job you're
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
09:05
going to scam with the people. At the time I shocked I arrived.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
09:10
So they told you you're going to scam people.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
09:13
Yes. Yes. You are not here as IT manager.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
09:15
You're going to scam people.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
09:18
Did they keep your passport?
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
09:21
Yes.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
09:22
So you didn't have you couldn't leave?
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
09:24
Yes. Yes. Yes. My passport when I crossed the Mekong River.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
09:28
Yeah.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
09:29
As I said after that they not gave my passport.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
09:32
They were already having my passport from the
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
09:35
Mekong River to the company everything.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
09:37
Because so the Chinese boss told me
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
09:40
you're going to uh join today. I said no I will join tomorrow.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
09:48
Yeah
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
09:48
Tomorrow evening.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
09:49
When I arrived at my hotel, I searched about the Golden Triangle.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
09:53
All this about this scam, this this is I
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
09:56
saw a lot of articles, a lot of things.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
09:58
This is after that I thought I said what I'm doing here.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
10:02
Then I told the agent I told I want to go back.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
10:05
I don't want to stay.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
10:06
He told me we spent too much money on you to bring you here.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
10:10
If you want to go back, you must need to pay us money, our money.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
10:18
And it was money you didn't have, right?
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
10:21
I I don't have money at the time because
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
10:23
I was also there to earn money.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
10:25
Yeah. You were there to earn money. You didn't have money, right?
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
10:28
So you were stuck.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
10:30
I was stuck at the time.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
10:32
Very scary.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
10:33
Yes. My parents at the time called me.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
10:35
They told me, "Uh, you get the job.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
10:37
" I said, "Yes, I get the job. Yes. Yes. "
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
10:43
You didn't tell them what the job was?
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
10:45
No, no, no.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
10:46
I didn't tell them because I I said maybe they will take too much
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
10:50
tension and maybe they will take any different kind of step.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
10:54
Maybe it will put me in trouble here. So I said okay.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
10:57
Then the next day when I joined the compound when I
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
11:01
joined the compound when I joined the compound.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
11:04
So there is I saw like there is not only one office.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
11:10
Okay.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
11:10
And there is not there is like building it's the building
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
11:13
is around 30 40 floors sometime 50 floors building.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
11:20
Wow.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
11:20
And on on every floor there is four five offices.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
11:26
Wow.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
11:26
And in every office in every office there
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
11:28
is hundreds of people are working there.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
11:35
Oh my gosh.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
11:36
Like me without passport and on a computer
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Mohammad Muzahir
11:38
screen around 14 14 15 hours.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
11:40
So at first day the first day you know when they recruit
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
11:44
the traffic like when they recruit the person at
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
11:47
the first day they will give them Facebook IDs.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
11:58
Ah Facebook IDs. Okay.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
12:00
And and Instagram ID. You know which kind of IDs there is.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
12:03
They are giving two two factor authentication IDs like they're
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
12:08
already I think uh stolen lot of Facebook IDs from the Facebook
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
12:12
and Instagram IDs and they are using the same kind of ID here
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
12:20
So they're using already created Facebook
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
12:22
IDs not create them for you
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Mohammad Muzahir
12:26
Already two to three three years old ID
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
12:29
Wow two three years old IDs is with two factor authentication.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
12:33
Wow.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
12:35
Yes.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
12:36
And you understand from that for this point you understand Meta
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Mohammad Muzahir
12:40
Meta like if I understand Meta is the pipeline of this game.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
12:45
Yes. We we very much know that Meta is the pipeline of this scam.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
12:49
It's good to hear you say it
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Mohammad Muzahir
12:51
And it's also raised the question you know if
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
12:54
the people are using stolen ID of Facebook.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
12:56
Like there is a thousands of people said every one
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
13:00
person is having 10 15 IDs 10 15 Facebook ID.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
13:03
So there is thousands of people and they're having
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
13:06
millions of Facebook id stolen Facebook IDs.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
13:09
So the question is from where the people
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
13:12
are getting all these IDs?
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
13:20
Unfortunately, it's fairly easy with fishing
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
13:22
attacks and things like that.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
13:25
Yes,
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
13:26
And Meta could see that this user always logged in
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
13:29
from, you know, California in the US, right?
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
13:32
And then all of a sudden they start logging in from Laos, right?
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
13:39
Yes,
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
13:40
You would think that would be a signal to them that the account
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
13:44
has been taken over but they don't they don't do anything.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
13:48
No, even I just want to tell you one more thing of Meta.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
13:52
Yeah.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
13:53
You know what? No.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
13:54
Meta is whenever Meta blocked the ID, I saw Meta.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
13:57
Meta warned the identity of the person says show your face.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
14:01
We're going to recognize you.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
14:03
And you know what scammers lying there like
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
14:06
if I have a I have a Facebook ID.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
14:08
So on the Facebook ID there is a lot of victims on
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
14:11
the Facebook ID like lot of people are connected
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
14:14
with me from USA, from UK, from everywhere.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
14:17
So suddenly maybe Meta said blocked the ID and Meta said just
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
14:21
recognize your face and I will get back to you your ID.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
14:25
Scam scammers just showing their own face
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
14:34
And it's working.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
14:36
Yes, it's working.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
14:37
So, you could take over.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
14:38
You could use my Facebook or my Instagram. Take it over.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
14:42
Meta could say, "Oh, we don't know if it's you.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
14:45
Show me your face to make sure it's you.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
14:48
" You could show your face for my account and get through?
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
14:54
Yes, there is a lot lot of times it happened there a lot
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
14:57
of time like hundreds of time I personally saw this.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
15:03
Oh my gosh.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
15:04
So I think you understand that.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
15:06
Mhm.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
15:06
So after that they give me Facebook
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
15:08
IDs even they give me sim cards.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
15:10
They told me you have a lot of sim they give me five
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
15:13
six sim cards two mobile phone to create some
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
15:16
Laos Facebook ID on that that phone numbers.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
15:19
So I did that after that. You know the story the story bible.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
15:29
Mhm. Yeah. I read your post about that. The Yeah.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
15:32
The story bible.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
15:34
Yeah. It's the game changing.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
15:35
It's the it's the game changing of the whole scam.
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Mohammad Muzahir
15:39
Whole scam is running on on only one only one single story.
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Mohammad Muzahir
15:43
So actually after six seven days when we people
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
15:46
created our Facebook IDs, Instagram IDs, we
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
15:49
posted fake like we created fake persona.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
15:51
This is then after that we need to create a story.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
16:00
Mhm.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
16:02
To talk with the victim.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
16:04
Yes.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
16:05
And in the story where you from, where you spend your childhood,
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
16:09
like everything just take example like you
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
16:17
Mhm.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
16:18
And you have you have also a life story right?
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
16:20
Yeah.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
16:21
You know you know where you born, uh which kinds of food you
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
16:25
like in childhood, what is your desire, like everything.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
16:28
Whatever have a have a human
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
16:32
Mhm.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
16:32
Everything.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
16:33
Yes.
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16:34
And even and the most and the most you know the most
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16:37
painful thing is even even scammers are using to
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16:40
manipulate the victims the private things.
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16:43
Private things, like uh I don't know I I I need to talk
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16:47
here with you about all these or not but I just because
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16:50
I need to I I think I need to tell tell you.
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16:53
The private things like talking about the period. Like
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Karisse Hendrick
17:05
Oh
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Mohammad Muzahir
17:05
For yet in every month. Which days this this is.
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Mohammad Muzahir
17:08
So don't you think don't you think if a person if a person
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17:12
shares all kind of all these things with a with a victim.
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Mohammad Muzahir
17:15
So victim said oh no no no this is not a scammer.
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Mohammad Muzahir
17:19
This is a someone who is trust on me who is like who love me.
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Mohammad Muzahir
17:23
So this kinds this is the physiological control.
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Mohammad Muzahir
17:26
This is a social engineering.
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Mohammad Muzahir
17:28
If we talk about this is a totally social
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Mohammad Muzahir
17:31
engineering to manipulate someone mind.
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Karisse Hendrick
17:39
Yes.
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Mohammad Muzahir
17:41
So one more thing like if if a persona is living
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Mohammad Muzahir
17:44
in California, okay, Los Angeles, Los Angeles,
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Mohammad Muzahir
17:47
California in any any areas of Los Angeles.
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Mohammad Muzahir
17:50
So in Los Angeles wherever she he she will stay there is a
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Mohammad Muzahir
17:54
hospital name, school name, road, everything and even the
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Karisse Hendrick
18:05
In the story bible?
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Karisse Hendrick
18:06
And the story bible is all about you the scammer, right?
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Karisse Hendrick
18:10
Like this is about your life in quotation marks so that you
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Karisse Hendrick
18:13
can share everything and get them to trust you, right?
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Karisse Hendrick
18:17
And they've researched everything so Well, that they know the
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Karisse Hendrick
18:21
hospital and the school that you were, you know, born at, the the
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Karisse Hendrick
18:25
hospital you were born at, the school you went to and Wow.
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Mohammad Muzahir
18:32
Yes. Even even nearby the hospital.
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Mohammad Muzahir
18:34
Like if any if someone if someone choose
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Mohammad Muzahir
18:37
the persona location is New York. Okay. In New York. Manhattan.
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Mohammad Muzahir
18:41
Okay. Manhattan city.
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Karisse Hendrick
18:43
Yeah. In Manhattan.
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Mohammad Muzahir
18:45
Yeah. So in Manhattan there is hospital.
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Karisse Hendrick
18:51
Mhm.
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Mohammad Muzahir
18:51
Hospital name and road names.
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Mohammad Muzahir
18:52
Every park areas every golf we playing golf in Manhattan.
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Mohammad Muzahir
18:56
Uh where is swimming pool? Which hotel is the best?
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Mohammad Muzahir
19:00
And uh which kind of restaurant there in which
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Mohammad Muzahir
19:03
restaurant which kinds of food there.
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Mohammad Muzahir
19:05
So all kind of all these things are planned in
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Mohammad Muzahir
19:08
the story, already planned in the story.
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Mohammad Muzahir
19:11
Because when victim is going to ask you a question and
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Mohammad Muzahir
19:15
you need to give give him answer I am here I have this
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Mohammad Muzahir
19:18
currently I'm here and even the photo of everything
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Karisse Hendrick
19:28
Wow
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Mohammad Muzahir
19:28
Photo and for these kinds of photo they used
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Mohammad Muzahir
19:30
there is a Pinterest you know Pinterest
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Karisse Hendrick
19:35
Oh yeah mhm they used Pinterest to find photos?
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Mohammad Muzahir
19:39
They they on a Pinterest and uh one is another
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Mohammad Muzahir
19:42
website I I I didn't remember the name of the website
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Mohammad Muzahir
19:45
it's Chinese it's Chinese application
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Karisse Hendrick
19:50
Okay
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Mohammad Muzahir
19:51
So they finding photo from there so easily
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Mohammad Muzahir
19:53
easily we will find photo from there.
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Mohammad Muzahir
19:56
Like if any scammers want to tell the victims currently
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Mohammad Muzahir
19:59
I'm uh currently I'm going for golf.
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Mohammad Muzahir
20:02
And I am in the Manhattan golf uh uh stadium okay
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Karisse Hendrick
20:08
Yeah,
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Mohammad Muzahir
20:09
There they're on the internet.
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Mohammad Muzahir
20:11
They definitely collect the photo and just send them.
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Mohammad Muzahir
20:14
And even those
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Karisse Hendrick
20:16
Looks like they're they're Yeah. Wow.
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Mohammad Muzahir
20:21
So it's even it's not possible to scan on the Google lens.
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Karisse Hendrick
20:26
Mhm.
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Mohammad Muzahir
20:27
And because the these these kinds of photos they are not
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Mohammad Muzahir
20:30
available some photos are not available on the Google lens.
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Karisse Hendrick
20:34
Oh okay.
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Karisse Hendrick
20:35
So, if somebody did a reverse engineer or reverse search of the
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Karisse Hendrick
20:39
photo, some of them you can't find them on Pinterest and see
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Karisse Hendrick
20:43
that they're mass- produced or they're public pictures. Wow.
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Mohammad Muzahir
20:48
But if if someone successfully reverse engineered and found the
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Mohammad Muzahir
20:52
port to Google, but there is also answer for that question.
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Karisse Hendrick
20:57
Okay.
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Mohammad Muzahir
20:58
Okay. Like
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Karisse Hendrick
20:59
Yeah,
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Mohammad Muzahir
21:00
There is also answer for everything.
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Mohammad Muzahir
21:02
For everything whatever Whatever victim will tell the scammers,
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Mohammad Muzahir
21:06
there is an answer for everything, for everything, every
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Mohammad Muzahir
21:10
script written already written and those people there.
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Karisse Hendrick
21:17
Wow.
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Karisse Hendrick
21:17
That's what I was going to ask you is did you go through like
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Karisse Hendrick
21:20
a training class for this or were you just handed the story
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Karisse Hendrick
21:24
bible and the scripts and you just had to figure it out?
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Mohammad Muzahir
21:27
See whenever whenever they recruit people is like
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Mohammad Muzahir
21:30
in every teams they giving training every day.
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Karisse Hendrick
21:35
Oh wow.
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Mohammad Muzahir
21:36
There is a training.
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Mohammad Muzahir
21:37
There is not like uh I just go there and just open. No no no.
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Karisse Hendrick
21:41
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Mohammad Muzahir
21:42
You must need to every person need to follow the mafia script.
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Mohammad Muzahir
21:46
The rules of mafia
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Karisse Hendrick
21:51
The master script.
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Mohammad Muzahir
21:52
How they are talking how they are talking
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Mohammad Muzahir
21:54
with the victims from first. And they're monitoring everything.
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Mohammad Muzahir
21:58
They're monitoring everything.
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Mohammad Muzahir
22:00
Your your Facebook account, your Instagram account
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Mohammad Muzahir
22:04
is already logged in the in your boss in your
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Mohammad Muzahir
22:07
team leader and your boss computer.
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Mohammad Muzahir
22:09
And they're watching they're watching on your
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Mohammad Muzahir
22:12
Instagram account and Facebook account.
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Mohammad Muzahir
22:15
Which kind of comment you are doing on the victim post.
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Mohammad Muzahir
22:18
Which kinds of message you are communic
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Mohammad Muzahir
22:21
communicating with the victims.
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Mohammad Muzahir
22:23
They're watching everything and they they will also guide you.
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Mohammad Muzahir
22:27
You do don't do this mistake. They will put you fine on you.
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Mohammad Muzahir
22:31
Don't do this mistake. Don't do this. Do this. Do this.
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Mohammad Muzahir
22:35
Talk like this.
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Mohammad Muzahir
22:36
Because this there in the scam compounds
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Mohammad Muzahir
22:39
there is no choice for us.
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Mohammad Muzahir
22:40
Like for every every traffic person there is no choice for them.
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Mohammad Muzahir
22:45
They must need to follow whatever boss will tell them.
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Karisse Hendrick
22:50
Yeah.
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Mohammad Muzahir
22:51
Yes.
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Karisse Hendrick
22:52
If you don't follow what your boss tells you, what happens?
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Mohammad Muzahir
22:57
There is two things.
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Mohammad Muzahir
22:58
If you don't follow the whatever your boss will told
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Mohammad Muzahir
23:01
you, you the first thing you will get fined.
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Karisse Hendrick
23:04
Oh, so they
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Mohammad Muzahir
23:06
Fine is one 100 one from 100 to 1,000 and 2,000 yuan
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Karisse Hendrick
23:13
Chinese. Yeah.
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Mohammad Muzahir
23:15
Yeah.
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Mohammad Muzahir
23:16
So in simple if I tell you the whole
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Mohammad Muzahir
23:18
industry is surviving on the debit.
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Karisse Hendrick
23:23
How debit? Debt. Yeah.
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Mohammad Muzahir
23:25
Debit bone.
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Mohammad Muzahir
23:26
Like whenever whenever I I not listened them they put fine on me.
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Mohammad Muzahir
23:30
And my salary was in Chinese. My salary was 3500 yuan. Okay.
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Karisse Hendrick
23:39
For a month or a week?
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Mohammad Muzahir
23:41
Yes. 3500 per month. Per month. 3500.
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Karisse Hendrick
23:45
3,500 yuan.
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Mohammad Muzahir
23:47
3500 yuan.
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Mohammad Muzahir
23:48
So they put fine on me, put fine on me, put on fine me even like
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Mohammad Muzahir
23:52
even the 3500 will end and maybe my fine will come at the end.
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Mohammad Muzahir
23:56
Maybe 5,000.
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Karisse Hendrick
24:01
Oh, so basically you're stuck like you can never leave because
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Karisse Hendrick
24:05
you can't pay off your debt because they keep fining you
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Mohammad Muzahir
24:11
And the contract is for one year.
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Karisse Hendrick
24:13
Okay.
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Mohammad Muzahir
24:15
And you must need to complete your one year
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Mohammad Muzahir
24:17
and after one year you will go to the home
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Karisse Hendrick
24:21
You can so you can go home but only after one year
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Mohammad Muzahir
24:25
After Yes. After completing one year you will go.
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Mohammad Muzahir
24:28
But before one year whether you earn money you are not
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Mohammad Muzahir
24:31
earning money you are in debit you are whatever.
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Mohammad Muzahir
24:35
You must need to come to the office.
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Mohammad Muzahir
24:37
You must need to sit on the computer for 14 15 hours and you
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Mohammad Muzahir
24:41
must need to follow the instructions of your boss and your
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Mohammad Muzahir
24:45
team leader whatever they are doing you need to do that.
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Karisse Hendrick
24:50
How many people were you talking to at once?
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Karisse Hendrick
24:52
Like how many how many victims were you I mean because that
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Karisse Hendrick
24:56
would be complicated to remember your persona for this person
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Karisse Hendrick
25:00
and that person and that person like how did that work?
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Mohammad Muzahir
25:06
Yes.
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Mohammad Muzahir
25:07
For this you know for this what they are using
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Mohammad Muzahir
25:10
there see you know I have only one story.
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Karisse Hendrick
25:15
Mhm. Okay.
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Mohammad Muzahir
25:16
Whether whether I use any other any another identity on
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Mohammad Muzahir
25:19
Facebook another persona maybe I have I have a 10 Facebook
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Mohammad Muzahir
25:23
and Instagram id and on different id there is another
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Mohammad Muzahir
25:27
photo like I'm using another like I have
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Karisse Hendrick
25:33
Each Facebook profile has a different photo
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Mohammad Muzahir
25:36
Different photos
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Karisse Hendrick
25:37
Yes
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Mohammad Muzahir
25:38
But my stories is my story is only one
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Karisse Hendrick
25:42
Oh okay okay
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Mohammad Muzahir
25:45
My story is only one my maybe only one
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Mohammad Muzahir
25:47
story maybe more than two stories.
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Mohammad Muzahir
25:49
I have two two persona stories. I have two story bible. Yeah.
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Mohammad Muzahir
25:53
In in one maybe I am a business uh woman entrepreneur.
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Mohammad Muzahir
25:57
I have this this this according to the profile and
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Mohammad Muzahir
26:00
in another maybe I am a simple simple woman.
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Mohammad Muzahir
26:03
I have just few restaurant and two three gas stations.
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Karisse Hendrick
26:08
Huh. Okay.
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Mohammad Muzahir
26:11
So this story story helps scammers to manage their
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Mohammad Muzahir
26:14
daily schedules to talk with everyone.
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Mohammad Muzahir
26:16
Like there is no need when when you have
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Mohammad Muzahir
26:19
a story and every day have a schedule.
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Mohammad Muzahir
26:22
You schedule at morning time when you when you wake up.
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Karisse Hendrick
26:31
Mhm.
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Mohammad Muzahir
26:32
When you go to the office, when you come back to the office,
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Mohammad Muzahir
26:36
when you will do your lunch, when you will eat this, when you
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
26:40
go to the golf every day and every week have a schedule.
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Karisse Hendrick
26:45
Okay
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Mohammad Muzahir
26:46
And the schedule you need to make the schedule by yourself.
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Karisse Hendrick
26:51
Oh, okay. And
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Mohammad Muzahir
26:53
And in report in report like there is a report group and
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Mohammad Muzahir
26:56
every scammers whenever they will come in the office.
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Karisse Hendrick
27:02
Mhm.
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Mohammad Muzahir
27:04
So every scammers every persons need to share the the first
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Mohammad Muzahir
27:07
things need to share it is the daily scheduled.
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Karisse Hendrick
27:14
Okay.
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Mohammad Muzahir
27:14
Like which with which with which your persona
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Mohammad Muzahir
27:17
which things your persona going to do this.
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Karisse Hendrick
27:21
Okay. Okay.
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Karisse Hendrick
27:21
So, you have something to do every day like,
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Karisse Hendrick
27:24
Oh, today I'm going to the doctor.
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Karisse Hendrick
27:27
Today I'm going to the bank or I'm picking
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Karisse Hendrick
27:29
up my child or whatever it is. But it's part of the story bible.
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Mohammad Muzahir
27:34
Yes.
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Mohammad Muzahir
27:35
And for that, you also need photo like
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Mohammad Muzahir
27:37
if you're going to the doctor, right?
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Karisse Hendrick
27:41
You send them a photo.
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Mohammad Muzahir
27:43
Yes. Maybe. Yes.
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Mohammad Muzahir
27:44
Maybe victim ask I because he is already in love and you
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Mohammad Muzahir
27:47
know in love people's people people's want evidence.
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Karisse Hendrick
27:53
Yeah
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Mohammad Muzahir
27:54
He want photo where are you? I have no trust on you.
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Mohammad Muzahir
27:57
Just send me photo. So there is a photo.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
27:59
There's a doctor photo just
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
28:01
Doctored photo. I'm sure with AI that's much easier to do now.
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Mohammad Muzahir
28:06
No there is AI and uh real photo also.
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Karisse Hendrick
28:11
A real photo. Wow.
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Mohammad Muzahir
28:14
Yes, real photo like as I already told you from
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Mohammad Muzahir
28:17
uh Pinterest and there is a lot of Google. Yes.
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Karisse Hendrick
28:24
So, how long are you talking to a victim before you
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Karisse Hendrick
28:27
start like how long does it take them to fall in love
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Karisse Hendrick
28:30
to the point where they want to give you money?
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Mohammad Muzahir
28:35
See it's depend on the victims.
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Mohammad Muzahir
28:37
Like suppose like if like I I I'm just giving you example
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Mohammad Muzahir
28:40
of mine because I already scammed with two people there.
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Mohammad Muzahir
28:44
It was not my choice because I was under pressure and I did that.
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Mohammad Muzahir
28:48
It was not my choice. Yes.
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Karisse Hendrick
28:54
Of course. We know it wasn't your choice.
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Mohammad Muzahir
28:56
There was not my choice.
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Mohammad Muzahir
28:57
So there was a person he I was talking with him.
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Mohammad Muzahir
29:00
He was he was from USA but uh from living in he was like
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Mohammad Muzahir
29:04
born in India but shifted in USA from past 20 30 years. Okay.
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Karisse Hendrick
29:17
Okay.
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Mohammad Muzahir
29:18
At he was 72 year old man.
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Karisse Hendrick
29:22
Uh-huh.
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Mohammad Muzahir
29:23
Okay. And my persona and age was 35 year.
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Karisse Hendrick
29:29
Oh
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Mohammad Muzahir
29:30
Okay. I understand there one thing.
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Mohammad Muzahir
29:32
Uh because the person I was talking with him,
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Mohammad Muzahir
29:35
he was already having a his own daughter.
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Mohammad Muzahir
29:38
His age is 45 year like his daughter is bigger than me.
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Karisse Hendrick
29:50
Yeah. His daughter was older than the persona.
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Mohammad Muzahir
29:53
Yes. My persona.
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Karisse Hendrick
29:55
Yeah.
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Mohammad Muzahir
29:56
So I started talking with him. Started talking with him.
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Mohammad Muzahir
29:59
Started talking with him.
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Mohammad Muzahir
30:01
After 1 month when I according to the like scripts when
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Mohammad Muzahir
30:05
I showed him about the crypto this this this this.
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Karisse Hendrick
30:10
Mhm.
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Mohammad Muzahir
30:12
So he suddenly you know becomes uh from starting I was
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Mohammad Muzahir
30:15
just her friend like my persona was just her friend.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
30:22
Mhm.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
30:23
But when I start when I when I shared with him trading
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Mohammad Muzahir
30:26
about the trade this this this I'm going I'm
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Mohammad Muzahir
30:29
doing this trading and you will get better.
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Mohammad Muzahir
30:32
And after that he I saw him he fall in love with me.
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Mohammad Muzahir
30:35
And he like he shifted from friend to another way.
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Karisse Hendrick
30:41
Uh okay. Yeah. He started to have feelings for your persona
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
30:45
And in that day in that day he was talking with me and he
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
30:48
said my wife is not happy with me from past 30 years.
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Karisse Hendrick
30:54
So he was married.
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Mohammad Muzahir
30:56
Yes.
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Karisse Hendrick
30:56
That he's in love with. Yeah.
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Mohammad Muzahir
30:58
Yes. He Yeah.
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Mohammad Muzahir
30:59
He said he is feeling lonely and uh like
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Mohammad Muzahir
31:01
he's like he never met person like me. And these kinds of.
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Mohammad Muzahir
31:05
So there is it's as you ask the questions like how
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Mohammad Muzahir
31:08
long it take time it's depend on the person.
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Karisse Hendrick
31:17
Right right and so you kind of know from your bosses when to
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Karisse Hendrick
31:21
talk about the crypto trading or when do you start to like
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Karisse Hendrick
31:26
You know oh I'm making so much money on crypto. Yeah.
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Mohammad Muzahir
31:30
Yes. Yes. If the victim is too much rich.
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Karisse Hendrick
31:33
Mhm.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
31:35
A gentleman. Right.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
31:37
Yeah.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
31:38
So for that it take too much time. Maybe two months,
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Karisse Hendrick
31:43
Right
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Mohammad Muzahir
31:44
Maybe 3 months, maybe even 4 months.
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Mohammad Muzahir
31:46
But whenever he will invest and he will invest
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Mohammad Muzahir
31:49
100 million, 1 million, 2 million, 20 million,
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Mohammad Muzahir
31:52
even maybe 50 million he will invest.
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Karisse Hendrick
32:00
Whoa. You
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
32:01
Yeah.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
32:03
Is that the man that you were scamming?
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
32:05
He invested that much or just some little victims do?
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Mohammad Muzahir
32:09
He he invested uh $11,500.
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Karisse Hendrick
32:14
Wow.
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Mohammad Muzahir
32:15
In first in first payment he invested 5,000 then
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
32:18
after that 5,000 did this he did this so.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
32:20
There is the another part of the story.
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Mohammad Muzahir
32:23
And uh when I scammed another guy.
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Mohammad Muzahir
32:25
He was living he was he was also Indian but he
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
32:28
was living in the New York he was engineer
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Karisse Hendrick
32:35
Okay he was in New York
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Mohammad Muzahir
32:37
Yes and you know what happened with
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
32:39
him he was scammed from 10 times
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Karisse Hendrick
32:44
He'd already been scammed 10 times.
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Mohammad Muzahir
32:47
10 times.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
32:48
Yes, he scammed already 10 times because
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Mohammad Muzahir
32:50
he told me he lost everything.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
32:52
Even even he sold his car even his bank because he
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
32:56
get loan from the bank and he said I don't know
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
32:59
when bank will come and out me from this house
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
33:07
But he still gave you money.
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Mohammad Muzahir
33:10
He still give me $500. 500. Why he give me?
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Mohammad Muzahir
33:12
Because my boss chat with him and my boss told him he
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
33:16
will help he will help to recover the losses fund.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
33:26
Oh, that's the other part of the scam, right?
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
33:29
I'll help you recover the losses if you've already lost money.
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Karisse Hendrick
33:33
I really want
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
33:35
If you Yes, if you believe.
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Mohammad Muzahir
33:36
If you believe the the most hardest part of this scam
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Mohammad Muzahir
33:40
is you know what when victim understand like when
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Mohammad Muzahir
33:43
victim understand I scammed from someone.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
33:46
So he definitely go into the trauma and he will think what I did.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
33:50
Even many people society I mean many people
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Mohammad Muzahir
33:53
in US and other country even in India.
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Karisse Hendrick
34:02
Mhm.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
34:03
Even across the world you will see there is a lot
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
34:05
of people's they died because of the scam.
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Karisse Hendrick
34:08
Yes.
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Mohammad Muzahir
34:10
Because they don't care about the money.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
34:11
They lost the person they were love with.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
34:14
Mhm.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
34:16
But in reality victim talking with the victim
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
34:19
and victim is looting the victim.
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Karisse Hendrick
34:22
Yeah. Cuz you were a victim too.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
34:25
Yes.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
34:26
And in benefits there is another person
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Mohammad Muzahir
34:28
is getting benefits from both of them.
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Mohammad Muzahir
34:31
And uh the another part is like if someone is investing okay
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Mohammad Muzahir
34:35
see like I I just scammed with you you just invest $500. Okay.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
34:39
So when you invest $500 after that in 1 minute 2 minute
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
34:42
maybe 2 3 days 2 3 hours you will earn 1,000. Okay. 1,000.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
34:58
Yeah.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
34:59
You invest 500 and you will earn like you earned $1,000 US.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
35:05
Mhm.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
35:06
And you know the 1,000 is already fake.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
35:08
There is a fake coin they're manipulating on the
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
35:11
website and this this is all the fake coins.
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Karisse Hendrick
35:14
Right. Right.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
35:14
They're making it look like you invested in and
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
35:17
that money is growing on the fake website. Yeah.
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Mohammad Muzahir
35:21
Yes. Yes.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
35:22
But when you earn the 1,000 they they will told you you just need
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
35:26
to get they said you will withdraw this money no problem.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
35:30
And they will give you withdraw.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
35:34
Oh really?
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
35:35
Sometimes they'll give you a withdraw to encourage you to oh
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
35:40
This is the rule of this game.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
35:43
Okay.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
35:45
You must need to give the refund of every single
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
35:48
person who is investing who is the victim. Wow.
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Mohammad Muzahir
35:51
So that they will invest more because
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
35:56
You gave them some money back.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
35:58
Yes. For what? For what?
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
35:59
Why they why they are giving some money back? Only not too much.
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Mohammad Muzahir
36:03
Only 100 or 200 like because victims don't
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Mohammad Muzahir
36:06
think they will lost their income.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
36:14
Mhm.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
36:15
They want to show the victim whenever you
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
36:17
want you can read your money from here.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
36:22
Wow. They've really thought of everything, haven't they?
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
36:25
Like they really It's psychological and they've
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
36:28
thought of how to manipulate victims by using
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
36:31
victims of trafficking To manipulate them.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
36:37
Definitely.
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Mohammad Muzahir
36:38
Another another part of the scam like if someone invest
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Mohammad Muzahir
36:41
his all money maybe maybe he have 20 million Okay.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
36:45
And he invest all 20 millions money in this scam.
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Mohammad Muzahir
36:48
And after that there there is the another
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Mohammad Muzahir
36:51
part of the scam is beginning.
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Mohammad Muzahir
36:53
They will set if you want to withdraw all this money cuz there
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
36:57
is a whenever whenever victim try to withdraw all the money.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
37:10
Yeah.
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Mohammad Muzahir
37:10
There is the there is the like kind of guideline
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Mohammad Muzahir
37:13
and this kinds of website they make.
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Mohammad Muzahir
37:15
They said you must need to uh pay your tax.
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Karisse Hendrick
37:20
You have to pay the tax before you can get the money back.
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Karisse Hendrick
37:23
So they get even more money.
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Mohammad Muzahir
37:27
Yes. Yes.
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Mohammad Muzahir
37:28
In 20 million uh when they invest 20 million after
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Mohammad Muzahir
37:31
investing maybe they will the uh fake websites
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Mohammad Muzahir
37:34
website showing profit around 300 million.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
37:41
Whoa.
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
37:41
And somebody believes that that their
A smiling woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black and white striped blazer.
Karisse Hendrick
37:43
20 million turned into 300 million.
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Mohammad Muzahir
37:46
Yes, they already believed.
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Karisse Hendrick
37:48
Ah yes,
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Mohammad Muzahir
37:48
Because in this scam there is also they are using AI arbitrage.
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Karisse Hendrick
37:55
Ah
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Mohammad Muzahir
37:55
What AI arbitrage they are telling the
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Mohammad Muzahir
37:57
victims we are using AI arbitrage.
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Mohammad Muzahir
37:59
In AI arbitrage we are our work AI is doing our
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
38:02
work and we just need to stay and AI is already
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
38:06
mastering the this kinds of manipulation. Okay.
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Mohammad Muzahir
38:09
So they will after that they will get money for tax.
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Mohammad Muzahir
38:12
This is the end kind of
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Karisse Hendrick
38:19
Right
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38:19
After that he will sold his house because
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38:21
he want to withdraw his 300 million.
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38:24
He sold his house after 1 million.
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38:26
He sold his car everything when he invested in get nothing.
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38:30
In the scam compound I saw I saw many people many
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38:33
people's from like uh mostly people from USA
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38:36
uh Canada like every corner in the world.
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Karisse Hendrick
38:48
Mhm.
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38:49
Mostly peoples they are investing.
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38:51
They all are married and like they all are gentlemen.
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38:54
They are businessmen.
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Karisse Hendrick
38:58
They're mostly businessmen that are married.
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39:00
Yes. Huh. Yes.
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39:01
They have good knowledge about everything but they still fall
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39:05
in the trap because of all these social engineering.
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Karisse Hendrick
39:11
Mhm.
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39:11
Again I am telling you social engineering because it's it's
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39:14
simple you know human human is human mind is very very weak.
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39:18
Because if someone understand the human mind and
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39:22
then it is very easy to manipulate very easy.
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Karisse Hendrick
39:26
Yeah.
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39:27
Like if we if we hack the computer it's take too much time.
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Mohammad Muzahir
39:30
We still need to do many things.
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39:33
But if if a scammers want to hack someone mind there
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Mohammad Muzahir
39:36
is only few minutes he takes and he get everything.
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Mohammad Muzahir
39:39
So social engineering. As you see as you see in the story bible.
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Karisse Hendrick
39:48
Mhm.
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39:50
There is already everything is written.
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Mohammad Muzahir
39:51
I said everything is written.
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Karisse Hendrick
39:53
Everything is written in the story bible.
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39:55
They've thought of everything.
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39:57
See persona.
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Karisse Hendrick
40:01
Yeah.
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40:01
And the victim is in love. Okay.
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Mohammad Muzahir
40:03
I saw sometimes sometimes you know victim is asking uh
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40:06
the persona asking maybe you have not much knowledge
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40:10
this this and maybe we we both lost the money.
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40:13
Corvette you know you know Corvette but
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40:15
persona have his uncle sorry her uncle
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Karisse Hendrick
40:23
Always an uncle I feel like there's always an
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Karisse Hendrick
40:26
uncle in the story right my uncle really knows
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Karisse Hendrick
40:29
how to do this and my uncle will you yes
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Mohammad Muzahir
40:33
Uncle and the bank story both are playing the crucial role in
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40:37
the in all these because uncle have a too much experience.
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Karisse Hendrick
40:42
Yeah.
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Mohammad Muzahir
40:43
Uh uncle have too much experience of all that I have already
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40:47
scripted here because when I left from there.
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40:50
So I shared 4200 pages of data to the Andy
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40:52
Greenberg and I have a lot of things.
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40:55
I have not only like I have everything like everything
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40:58
how they use and they whatever they.
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Mohammad Muzahir
41:01
When you know and your uncle we were talking about uncle
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41:05
your uncle is already experienced person uhhuh And
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41:08
he is very businessman, very big businessman.
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41:11
And he his work is only earning money from trading.
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41:14
Did you believe when a victim? No. Oh, no problem.
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41:18
His uncle is already earning too much. So we have no problem.
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Mohammad Muzahir
41:22
His uncle is very
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Karisse Hendrick
41:30
Yeah. His uncle's very rich, right?
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Mohammad Muzahir
41:32
Yes. Very very rich and very experienced person.
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41:35
We are not going to loss, right?
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41:37
So you know sometimes uh two things happens.
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41:40
I also I also know that sometimes in America in other countries
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41:44
like Germany like many other countries when bank bank
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41:47
tell the victim don't do this this is a scam.
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Karisse Hendrick
41:56
Yes.
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41:57
But you know in reality what happened that scammer is already
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Mohammad Muzahir
42:01
prepared the victim before he go to the bank.
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42:04
They already washed his mind.
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42:06
You know how how they washed his mind? They will said to him.
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42:10
Like they they already created their own story.
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42:13
They said today I was in the bank when I started to uh transfer
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42:17
wire uh transfer my money into the exchanging app.
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42:20
So bank refused to do that. Banks told me this is the scam.
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42:24
I said this is not scam. This is my own money.
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42:27
FBI called me don't do this is the scam.
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42:30
So they told the victim in actually bank don't want to bank don't
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42:34
want you invest your money in another platform because bank
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Karisse Hendrick
42:46
Bank doesn't want you to the bank wants
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Karisse Hendrick
42:48
to make money off of your money.
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Karisse Hendrick
42:50
They don't want you to invest it somewhere else. Oh my goodness.
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Karisse Hendrick
42:54
So, they've already gotten to their mind and brainwashed
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Karisse Hendrick
42:58
them and and said, you know, oh, they they might
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Karisse Hendrick
43:01
tell you it's a scam, but this isn't a scam.
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Karisse Hendrick
43:03
That, you know, there's other things that are a scam.
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Karisse Hendrick
43:07
This isn't one of them.
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Karisse Hendrick
43:08
This is just the bank not wanting you
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Karisse Hendrick
43:11
to move your money away from them. Oh my god.
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43:14
Definitely.
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Karisse Hendrick
43:16
Wow.
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43:16
Here is uh one more thing.
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Karisse Hendrick
43:19
Yeah.
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43:20
So, I told you about the AI arbitrage.
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43:22
So for AI arbitrage there is there is
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43:25
there is a script they are using.
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Karisse Hendrick
43:28
Okay.
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Mohammad Muzahir
43:28
Now what which kind of script?
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43:30
I will I will tell you because here
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43:32
is the script about AI arbitrage. Yes.
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Karisse Hendrick
43:36
Wow.
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43:39
Here is here is in AI arbitrage whenever scammers talk with the
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43:43
victim she said I just checked the income from AI arbitrage to
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43:47
donate money to help poor children and renovate temples.
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43:51
So the persona the persona is not only not
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43:53
only a woman he she's earning the money.
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43:56
He's very very very very simple and very empathetic woman.
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Karisse Hendrick
44:04
Mhm.
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44:05
Because she's helping the poor.
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44:08
She's helping the poor.
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44:10
Yes. She's helping the poor. She's renovate the temple.
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44:13
She is renovate the mosque.
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44:15
If she's Muslim, if she's Christian and
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44:18
she is going to renovate the church. Yeah. Yes.
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44:21
And and another point I I didn't do much.
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Mohammad Muzahir
44:23
No, I just missing deposit depositing money for
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44:27
AI arbitrage to generate daily income for me.
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44:30
Do you know arbitrage? So now the scammer is asking question.
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Karisse Hendrick
44:43
Yeah.
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44:44
The victim about about the like he scammer want
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44:47
to put in his mind about the AI arbitrage.
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44:49
Now he is going to shift the victims to like
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44:52
from active income to passive income.
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44:55
So that's why he is going to use this.
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Mohammad Muzahir
44:57
And he is also they give the example.
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Mohammad Muzahir
45:00
For example gold is $1975 in market A. And market B is $985.
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Mohammad Muzahir
45:04
If gold is bought from market A and solid
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45:07
market B will make a profit of $10.
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Karisse Hendrick
45:31
Wow.
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Mohammad Muzahir
45:34
My scammer is giving example to the victims
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45:36
the benefits of AI arbitrage.
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45:38
We just need to buy and then we need to sort.
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Mohammad Muzahir
45:41
This like it's a too much big scripts if we like
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Mohammad Muzahir
45:45
the the meaning of whole script is simple.
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Mohammad Muzahir
45:47
Scammer is going to scammer want to invest victim victim
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Mohammad Muzahir
45:51
invest more and more money in the trading platform.
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Mohammad Muzahir
45:54
So that's why he's manipulating his mind to shifting
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Mohammad Muzahir
45:58
his mind to air this this this this kind of Yes.
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Karisse Hendrick
46:16
How did it how did you feel doing this scam?
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Karisse Hendrick
46:18
Because you were trapped. You didn't have a choice.
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Karisse Hendrick
46:22
Was it really hard on your mind?
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Mohammad Muzahir
46:26
Yes, definitely. When when Yes.
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Mohammad Muzahir
46:28
When I was uh when I scammed the first person then I just
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Mohammad Muzahir
46:31
at the time I think it was around uh 3 4 3 4 p. m.
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46:35
of New York time.
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Karisse Hendrick
46:39
Uh-huh.
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Mohammad Muzahir
46:40
So my boss scammed with the victim.
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Mohammad Muzahir
46:42
I was contacted the 72 year old victim. He was very rich person.
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Mohammad Muzahir
46:46
I also like in chat I also did lot of things like I
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Mohammad Muzahir
46:50
want he understand that but he didn't understand.
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Mohammad Muzahir
46:53
I I I try to do many things like try to do many things like
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Mohammad Muzahir
46:57
he maybe he understand this but he never understand.
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Mohammad Muzahir
47:00
He believe on my everything because my boss was
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47:03
also chatting with him about everything.
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Karisse Hendrick
47:08
Okay.
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Mohammad Muzahir
47:10
So when my boss collect collected money from him
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Mohammad Muzahir
47:13
so you know I I got outside and I cried.
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Mohammad Muzahir
47:15
I said what I did because there was no option for me what I do.
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Karisse Hendrick
47:20
Yeah.
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Mohammad Muzahir
47:21
And I already I already promised with myself whenever
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Mohammad Muzahir
47:24
I will get money and I will definitely and so I will
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Mohammad Muzahir
47:28
return the the 12,000 of us what I I will return.
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Mohammad Muzahir
47:31
I will I will definitely return them because
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Mohammad Muzahir
47:34
they they don't know about I'm also victim.
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Mohammad Muzahir
47:37
And I will tell them in future I will tell
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Mohammad Muzahir
47:39
them I was also victim at the time.
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Mohammad Muzahir
47:42
So don't feel like someone scammed you and you you believe.
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Karisse Hendrick
47:48
Mhm.
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Mohammad Muzahir
47:49
This is interesting story.
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Mohammad Muzahir
47:50
I was my persona was living in the Orlando Florida.
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Karisse Hendrick
47:56
Oh, in Orlando, Florida.
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Mohammad Muzahir
48:00
And there was a there was a temple around I think
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Mohammad Muzahir
48:03
12 to 15 kilometers from my my house.
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Karisse Hendrick
48:08
Okay.
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Mohammad Muzahir
48:09
My persona house.
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Karisse Hendrick
48:10
Your persona's house.
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Mohammad Muzahir
48:11
When when our when when my boss told me you have not need to talk
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Mohammad Muzahir
48:15
talk talk with the victim, and you know what victim did.
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Mohammad Muzahir
48:19
Victim walked victim took his taxi
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Mohammad Muzahir
48:21
from like drive his taxi from uh
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Karisse Hendrick
48:30
The Orlando airport.
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Mohammad Muzahir
48:32
No no there is a place his name is uh kind something of land.
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Mohammad Muzahir
48:36
I don't know which land behind the land there is state in USA
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Mohammad Muzahir
48:40
around I think he drive from another states and come to me
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Mohammad Muzahir
48:44
search me here in Orlando of freedom and send me a photo.
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Mohammad Muzahir
48:47
Hey I'm here where are you
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Karisse Hendrick
48:54
That's heartbreaking and did your boss allow you to talk
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Karisse Hendrick
48:57
to them or you just cut them off and not reply?
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Mohammad Muzahir
49:02
When when when victim tell I'm not going to invest if he stop
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Mohammad Muzahir
49:06
to invest then there is no need to waste time on him.
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Mohammad Muzahir
49:09
And they will tell find another find
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49:12
another find another find another.
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Mohammad Muzahir
49:14
And there is hundreds of people like hundreds of
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49:17
people and they messaging hundred of people every
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49:20
day commenting hundreds of people every day.
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49:23
And definitely you will get lot of people.
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49:26
And still you to see before mostly I'm not using Facebook.
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Mohammad Muzahir
49:30
Before two days I just uh made a Facebook ID
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
49:33
and I was just checking I was checking on Facebook
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Mohammad Muzahir
49:36
there is a lot of Facebook ID lot of
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Karisse Hendrick
49:44
Mhm.
Man with dark hair and beard wearing a brown corduroy jacket.
Mohammad Muzahir
49:45
Damn Facebook ID we were both told to create in the compound.
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Karisse Hendrick
49:50
Wow.
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Karisse Hendrick
49:51
Hi, it's Karisse in the future.
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Karisse Hendrick
49:53
Uh we're going to stop this interview here.
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Karisse Hendrick
49:55
Uh it's just too long for one episode. He.
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Karisse Hendrick
49:58
Mohammad had so much to say and I'm so glad he did.
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Karisse Hendrick
50:02
Uh there's more to his story.
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Karisse Hendrick
50:04
He's going to talk more about uh his tips for how people can
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Karisse Hendrick
50:08
identify deep fakes, which I found really interesting.
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Karisse Hendrick
50:11
As well as some of his uh story of
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Karisse Hendrick
50:13
how he escaped the scam compound.
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Karisse Hendrick
50:16
And he actually told us something that
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Karisse Hendrick
50:18
he hadn't told anyone before.
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Karisse Hendrick
50:20
About uh part of his journey getting out of Laos well
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Karisse Hendrick
50:24
getting out of the compound and then getting out
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Karisse Hendrick
50:27
of Laos with immigration and without documents and
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Karisse Hendrick
50:30
all of that and so it's really fascinating.
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Karisse Hendrick
50:33
Make sure that you subscribe to Fraudology so you're alerted as
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Karisse Hendrick
50:37
soon as that next episode episode comes out next Thursday.
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Karisse Hendrick
50:41
Uh you won't be disappointed.
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Karisse Hendrick
50:43
And thanks so much for watching this
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Karisse Hendrick
50:45
and listening to this as well.
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Karisse Hendrick
50:47
Uh I really enjoyed talking to Mohammad and appreciated
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Karisse Hendrick
50:51
his time and I hope you do too. Thanks so much.