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Money 20/20 ラスベガス:不正対策のガバナンス、詐欺、そして新たなツールを購入する前にすべきこと

71 min

不正と闘う皆さん、こんにちは!「Fraud Forward」へ、またようこそ!

今回は、Money 2020 Las Vegasの会場からお届けします。ここで、私がその仕事ぶりを尊敬する4人の方々にお話を伺いました。TDのAngela Diazさん、GBankのJared Tennisonさん、Royal Credit UnionのJeni Branterさん、そしてLucid Point ConsultingのAaron Fryeさんです。皆さんはそれぞれ、銀行のリスク管理の監督、不正に関する定量分析、信用組合の決済とデジタルバンキング、不正リスクに関するコンサルティングを専門としています。

今回は、信用組合と地域銀行を対象とした最新の不正対策ベンチマークレポートも持参し、その調査結果をもとに質問を組み立てました。不正対策の責任を誰が担うのか、なぜチーム間で損失額の数字がなかなか一致しないのか、デジタルバンキングを通じて詐欺がどのように会員に迫るのか、そして、なぜ多くのチームが手元にあるツールを十分に理解する前に新しいツールを探してしまうのかについて語り合います。不正対策における適切なガバナンスとは、実際にはどのようなものなのか。そんな疑問をお持ちの方に、ぜひ聞いていただきたい対談です。それでは、始めましょう。

今回のエピソードの内容:

  • アンジェラ・ディアスがスタートアップで得た教訓を大手金融機関での業務にどう活かしたのか、そして不正対策における部門横断的な連携の成否を分けるものとは
  • 不正対策ポリシーの策定後、実際に運用する担当者からのフィードバックも踏まえ、責任者はどのように適切に管理・運用すべきか
  • Jared Tennisonが、不正対策チームは損失について3通りの異なる回答をすることがあると語る理由と、ファーストパーティ不正の実態把握が最も難しい理由
  • 不正対策に伴う手続きの煩雑さが生む隠れたコストは、申し込みを完了せずに離脱する顧客による損失も含め、なぜ損失報告にほとんど反映されないのか
  • ロマンス詐欺や銀行を装った電話など、デジタルバンキングの会員を狙う詐欺について、ジェニ・ブランターが目にしている実態
  • ジェニが法人会員に契約上のセキュリティ要件の遵守を求める理由
  • 意図的に手続きにひと手間を加え、追加の確認を行い、会員のリスクに応じた制限を設けることで、すべての会員の利便性を損なうことなく会員を保護する方法
  • AIエージェントが取引を始めると何が変わるのか、そしてリスク回避はリスク管理ではないと考える理由について、アンジェラが語ること
  • アーロン・フライが解説する、ディフェンスの第2線、不正リスクの許容度、そして不正対策の責任が部門間で移り続ける理由
  • ツールを購入する前に行うべき実践的なステップ。要件の整理、既存ツールの対応範囲の棚卸し、委託先の再委託先(フォースパーティ)に関するリスクの確認など

このエピソードは、次のような方におすすめです:

  • 信用組合や地域銀行で不正対策プログラムを主導または支援しており、ガバナンスに関する実践的なアイデアを求めている方
  • チームやチャネルによって損失額が異なる理由を説明しようとしている
  • 不正対策ベンダーの変更を予定しており、まず何から始めるべきか知りたい
  • 小規模な金融機関に勤務し、限られたリソースで強固な不正対策ガバナンスを構築したい方
  • AIエージェントによって取引に関する説明責任がどのように変わるかを検討している方
エピソードノート

部門横断的な連携とポリシーの責任主体

アンジェラは15年にわたり不正対策に取り組んできました。Trust 25の冊子で彼女の姿を見つけたときは、とてもうれしく思いました。彼女が大切にしているのは、損失や指標だけでなく、不正の背後にいる人々だと話してくれました。スタートアップでは、調査からチャージバックまであらゆる業務を担い、一連の流れを見渡す視点を培いました。大規模な組織でも、担当領域で成果を上げるには、その上流と下流を見通す視点が欠かせないと彼女は言います。部門横断の連携がうまくいくのは、各チームが自分たちの領域で不正がどのような形で現れるかを理解しているときです。関係者が増えすぎて意思決定が遅れると、連携は機能しなくなります。その対策として彼女が挙げるのは、意思決定に関わる人数を絞り、変更管理のガバナンスを強化することです。ポリシーについては、彼女のチームが業務プロセスの責任者と協力し、それが各自の業務にどう適用されるかを示しています。彼女はポリシーの策定を、自宅までの道順を教えることに例えます。相手がたどり着けるかどうかは、説明の明確さ次第です。ポリシーも、それに沿って日々業務を行う人々が意味を理解できてこそ、機能するのです。

誤検知とAIエージェント

当社のベンチマーク調査では、リーダーの94.4%が誤検知を追跡し、69.4%が定期的に報告していることがわかりました。正式な報告を行っているチームでは、自社のテクノロジーに満足している割合が90%だったのに対し、それ以外のチームでは71.4%でした。アンジェラは、誤検知を主に不正対策チームへのフィードバックと捉えており、ルールやアラート、新規顧客の受け入れ手続きを改善する手がかりにしています。上層部に報告されるのは、苦情や損失額です。また私は、AIエージェントが顧客に代わって取引を行うようになると、不正対策チームにどのような変化が生じるのかも尋ねました。彼女は、責任の所在を明確にするための基準が必要だと話しました。正当に権限を与えられたエージェントをどう見分けるのか、そしてその行動に誰が責任を負うのか、ということです。どの銀行を代表するものでもなく、あくまで個人の見解として、彼女は将来を見据えて考えるべきだと述べています。リスクを避けることは、リスクを管理することとは違います。小規模な金融機関に対する彼女の助言は、関連する要素を十分に洗い出し、プロセスマップを整備したうえで、設計段階からリスクへの対応と統制をプロセスに組み込むことです。

損失額とフリクションのコスト

GBankでリスクと不正の定量分析を統括するJaredは、支出やログインの頻度など、定量的な指標が数多く存在するにもかかわらず、多くの人が不正を定性的に捉えていると指摘します。昨年の不正による損失について尋ねられたとき、答えは3つに分かれるといいます。本人による不正、第三者による不正、そして原因不明の損失です。本人による不正は、通常の延滞債権と見分けがつかないことがあるため、最も把握が難しいものです。当社のベンチマーク調査では、リーダーの91.3%が自社の損失データに自信を持っていた一方、チャネル別の数値を合算した際に、損失総額とのずれが20%以内に収まっていたのは45.8%にとどまりました。Jaredはこの結果に驚かず、AIによって詐欺の手口が高度化していることから、この差は詐欺被害による損失に起因する可能性が高いと指摘しました。また、不正対策によって生じる顧客の手間や障壁に潜むコストを、もっと多くの人に測定してほしいとも考えています。申し込みの段階で正当な顧客が断られても、それによって失われた収益が財務諸表に表れることはありません。その損失額を減らせているなら、役割をしっかり果たせているといえます。

デジタルバンキングにおける詐欺

ジェニは4月、Royal Credit Unionで決済・デジタル体験担当のシニア・バイス・プレジデントに就任しました。新設されたばかりの役職です。彼女は「未来を描いているんです」と話してくれました。その言葉がとても印象的でした。決済とデジタルは連携すべきだというのが彼女の考えです。デジタルの接点でこそ、会員が被害に遭う前に介入できるからです。被害からの回復は、未然に防ぐことよりもはるかに大変です。彼女が最もよく目にするのは、ロマンス詐欺や、信用組合の職員を装った電話やテキストメッセージによる詐欺です。私は、毎月のコミュニティ通話で聞いた、ある会員の話を紹介しました。その会員は、電話の相手から窓口担当者が調査の対象になっていると言われ、2万ドルを引き出し、袋に入れて駐車中の車内に置いてしまったのです。ジェニによると、被害者は涙を流し、恥ずかしさを感じていることが多く、被害から立ち直るのを支援するのは、被害を防ぐためにその場で少し気まずい思いをしてもらうより、はるかに大変なのだそうです。

契約、教育、そして意図的に設ける手間

当社のベンチマーク調査では、回答者の50.6%がアカウントの乗っ取りを主要な脅威として挙げました。ジェニは、事後の分析に加え、事前にリスクの傾向を把握し、法人会員をよく知ることが必要だと述べています。アカウントの乗っ取りは、企業を経営破綻に追い込むこともあります。彼女は、法人会員にセキュリティ対策の維持を義務付ける契約を結び、その履行を徹底させることを勧めています。回答者の67.7%は、詐欺を最も差し迫った脅威として挙げました。追加予算が得られた場合、60.4%はテクノロジーへの投資を最優先にしており、会員への啓発を優先する人はごく少数です。ジェニは、テクノロジーが利用者に意識されない形で機能するのでない限り、啓発は欠かせないと考えています。必要な投資は資金だけでなく、人や時間である場合もあります。また、彼女は意図的に確認の手間を設けることも推奨しています。利用者に意識されない検証をバックグラウンドで行い、各種シグナルに不整合があれば、追加の認証手順を設けるのです。私は、あるCEOが「会員間の1万5,000ドルの送金で、なぜ確認を求めなかったのか」と疑問を呈した話を紹介しました。ジェニのチームは、リスクモデルを使って個々の会員との取引関係に応じた限度額を設定し、その設定の合理性、再現性、検証可能性を確保しています。今年に向けた彼女の助言は、テクノロジーですべてを検知できるわけではないため、資金の動き方を意識して管理することです。

不正対策の責任と第2線の役割

アーロンは、組織の不正リスク管理を支援し、不正対策ツールを販売する企業をサポートするために、Lucid Point Consultingを設立しました。彼の考えは、未知の要素があることを前提に不正と闘うというものです。先に進む前に、まず現状の問題を解決する。第1線で不正対策の責任者が明確でなければ、業務部門、マネーロンダリング対策(AML)部門、サイバーセキュリティ部門の間で責任の押し付け合いになると彼は言います。また、組織によっては、不正リスクの管理責任が3~5年ごとに別の責任者へと移ります。管理体制をどう構築すべきかという定型的な指針がないため、不正リスクは最も管理が難しいリスクだと彼は指摘します。当社のベンチマーク調査では、52.4%の金融機関がハイブリッド型の体制を採用し、42.7%が完全に一元化されたプログラムを導入していましたが、体制だけでは、それが機能しているかどうかは判断できません。強固な第2線は、方針を管理し、ギャップ評価を実施し、ベンダーを評価するとともに、第1線と定期的に連携します。彼の経験では、第2線が強固であるほど、第1線の混乱は少なくなります。

購入前のベンダー選定

当社のベンチマーク調査では、84%のチームが自社のテクノロジーに満足している一方、62.3%が誤検知を、45%が基幹システムとの連携を課題として挙げていました。私はアーロンに、なぜチームは既存ツールの機能を整理する前に、代替製品を探し始めるのかと尋ねました。彼の答えは、要件定義を飛ばしてしまうから、というものでした。ベンダーと話す前に、譲れない要件のリストを作り、それを貫くこと。そのうえで、各ツールが何を把握し、検知し、スコアリングできるのかを洗い出し、埋まっていない穴を見つけるのです。一般的なベンダー管理チームには不正対策の専門知識がないため、不正対策ベンダーを管理する専門機能を設ける企業がもっと増えるべきだと、彼は考えています。契約書を読んで責任の所在を確認し、フォースパーティーリスクについても質問しましょう。彼は、ベンダーの再委託先のミスにより融資キャンペーンの申込者を失ったにもかかわらず、ベンダーが返金したのは照会費用だけだった事例を紹介してくれました。もし1週間で監査を行うなら、不正対策のガバナンス機能があるか、それが不正対策チーム内に置かれているか、そして文書化された不正リスクアペタイトが組織の方針や実態を適切に表しているかを確認するそうです。まだ文書化していないのであれば、これをきっかけに取り組んでみてください。

重要なポイント
  • 部門を超えた連携は、戦略と実行につながってこそ意味があります。
  • 誤検知は、ルール、アラート、オンボーディングを調整する不正対策チームへのフィードバックとして最も役立ちます。
  • 不正対策チームは、本人による不正、第三者による不正、原因不明の損失をそれぞれ分けて報告することで、数値にどのような違いがあるかを示すことができます。
  • 不正対策に伴う手続きの煩雑さが生む隠れたコストには、申し込みを完了せずに離脱する顧客による損失も含まれますが、こうした損失がレポートに表れることはほとんどありません。
  • デジタルバンキングでは、なりすまし詐欺やロマンス詐欺が発生しており、被害者はしばしば被害に遭ったことを恥ずかしく感じてしまいます。
  • 法人会員にセキュリティ対策の維持を義務付ける契約と、新技術の導入に伴う教育は、アカウントの乗っ取りや詐欺による被害の抑制に役立ちます。
  • 意図的に手続きにひと手間を加えることや、追加の本人確認、会員のリスクに応じた制限により、すべての会員の利便性を損なうことなく、会員を保護できます。
  • リスクを回避することはリスクを管理することとは異なり、これは消費者に代わって取引を行うAIエージェントにも当てはまります。
  • 強固な第2線と不正対策における責任の明確化が、第1線の混乱を軽減します。
まとめ

不正対策の取り組みでは、新しいテクノロジーの導入アイデアが不足することはめったにありません。むしろ不足しがちなのは、誰がリスク管理の責任を負い、誰がその妥当性を検証するのか、既存のツールでどこまで対応できているのか、何を測定しているのかという問いへの明確な答えです。アンジェラ、ジャレッド、ジェニ、アーロンは、それぞれ異なる立場からこの問いに向き合い、同じ結論にたどり着きました。まず土台を整え、早い段階から関係者を巻き込み、どこに確認の手間を加え、どこでその手間を省くかを意図的に決めることです。次に導入するツールは、全体像を把握できている不正対策の仕組みに組み込むことで、より効果を発揮します。

エピソードの関連資料・リンク

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こちらからつながる:Angela Diaz | LinkedIn
TDの外部不正リスク監督担当シニアリスクマネージャー

つながる:Jared Tennison | LinkedIn
GBankの定量的リスク・不正対策チームリーダー兼アシスタント・バイスプレジデント(AVP)

つながりましょう:Jeni Branter | LinkedIn
Royal Credit Union 決済・デジタルサービス担当上級副社長

つながりましょう:Aaron Frye | LinkedIn
Lucid Point Consultingの創業者兼CEO

つながりましょう:Hailey Windham, CFCS | LinkedIn
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Episode transcript
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Hailey Windham
00:38
Aaron, I'm so excited.
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Hailey Windham
00:39
Thank you so much for joining me on Fraud Forward.
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Aaron Frye
00:31
Hailey, thank you for having me. I'm glad to be here.
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Hailey Windham
00:33
We talked about it, I think, like three conferences in the past.
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Hailey Windham
00:36
Like the timing just never worked, but now
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Hailey Windham
00:38
finally Money 20/20, here you are.
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Aaron Frye
00:40
Absolutely.
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Aaron Frye
00:40
It's my second time being here and first time on your
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Aaron Frye
00:42
podcast, so I'm really excited for the combination.
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Hailey Windham
00:44
First time, but definitely not the last.
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Hailey Windham
00:46
We definitely got to bring you back. Um
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Aaron Frye
00:48
There's a lot of content and fraud we can do.
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Hailey Windham
00:49
There is. There is. There's so much.
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Hailey Windham
00:50
Jeni, thank you so much for joining me on Fraud Forward.
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Jeni Branter
00:54
You're welcome. I'm happy to be here. Thanks for inviting me.
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Hailey Windham
00:56
Of course.
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Hailey Windham
00:57
All right, Jared, thank you so much
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Hailey Windham
00:58
for joining me on Fraud Forward.
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Jared Tennison
01:00
Absolutely. It's great to be here.
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Hailey Windham
01:01
Angela, thank you so much for joining me on Fraud Forward.
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Angela Diaz
01:05
Hi, Hailey. Thank you for having me.
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Angela Diaz
01:06
I always love catching up with one of my favorite fraud fighters.
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Hailey Windham
01:10
You're the sweetest.
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Hailey Windham
01:15
I have to say before we even get started, this booklet
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Hailey Windham
01:18
found its way to me from another really good friend
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Hailey Windham
01:21
in the industry and it is the Trust 25 Awards.
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Hailey Windham
01:23
Says, "Meet the 25 uh leaders defining
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Hailey Windham
01:26
trust in the digital economy. " And you, my friend, have a spread.
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Angela Diaz
01:30
I know.
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Hailey Windham
01:31
I am so so proud for you of you. Love this so much.
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Hailey Windham
01:33
Um would love for you to number one, tell me, you
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Hailey Windham
01:36
know, what it means to you to be honored here.
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Hailey Windham
01:38
And then also, I'm going to need your autograph, but I just dropped
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Hailey Windham
01:42
the pen, so I'm going to grab that while you answer that question.
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Angela Diaz
01:46
Of course.
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Angela Diaz
01:46
Um so what it means to me is uh I am very very committed
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Angela Diaz
01:50
um to driving change in the industry.
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Angela Diaz
01:53
And I'm very very passionate about the humans
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Angela Diaz
01:55
that are attached to the fraud.
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Angela Diaz
01:57
So not just the losses and the metrics.
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Angela Diaz
02:00
Um so that's really what identity means to me.
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Angela Diaz
02:03
Identity is also one of the first points of risk management and
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Angela Diaz
02:07
control when we think about the customer life cycle and how fraud
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Angela Diaz
02:11
can enter the bank and just being recognized uh for the the work
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Angela Diaz
02:16
that I have really dedicated my life to for the past 15 years.
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Angela Diaz
02:20
And also to be alongside people that I've admired throughout
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Angela Diaz
02:24
my entire career was very very humbling, um exciting.
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Angela Diaz
02:27
And I'm very very very grateful for it.
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Hailey Windham
02:30
Well, I'm super proud for you and it's very well deserved.
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Hailey Windham
02:33
So, again, I'm gonna need you to sign this for me.
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Hailey Windham
02:36
This is my copy that I picked up and I'm like,
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Hailey Windham
02:39
I know these people and they're my favorite people
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Hailey Windham
02:42
in the world and I'm just so grateful. Love it. Love it so much.
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Hailey Windham
02:46
Thank you. Okay, so let's move on to why we're here.
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Hailey Windham
02:49
Um, obviously, um, I've had a benchmark report that just recently
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Hailey Windham
02:53
came out, so I'm going to have a few questions about that.
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Hailey Windham
02:56
We're here live at Money20/20.
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Hailey Windham
02:58
Uh I'd love to know uh how how often have you or
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Hailey Windham
03:01
how many times have you come to Money 20/20?
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Angela Diaz
03:04
So this is my second year at Money 2020.
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Angela Diaz
03:06
Um and the major difference for me was just like last year was all
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Angela Diaz
03:10
about just navigating the resort and the conference maps and trying
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Angela Diaz
03:13
to juggle networking and attending the right sessions.
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Angela Diaz
03:16
So this year I felt like I definitely um was a lot more comfortable.
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Angela Diaz
03:20
I had a strategy. Uh I went to a lot of incredible sessions on Sunday.
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Angela Diaz
03:24
So, I highly recommend people coming in for that Sunday.
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Angela Diaz
03:27
It's a lot less crowded, great content.
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Angela Diaz
03:30
Um, and I've just really enjoyed the quality people
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Angela Diaz
03:32
and and getting to meet with a lot of really amazing
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Angela Diaz
03:35
solutions and talk about emerging risks.
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Angela Diaz
03:38
So, it's been a fantastic event.
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Hailey Windham
03:40
I love that you say that. Um, and I agree.
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Hailey Windham
03:42
Uh, the navigating thing was definitely last year.
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Hailey Windham
03:44
This year though, like I think last
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Hailey Windham
03:46
year I stayed in the south tower. This year I'm in the north tower.
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Hailey Windham
03:49
So, I am still a little bit confused.
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Hailey Windham
03:51
I'm like, I I should have just stayed in the south
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Hailey Windham
03:54
tower again so that I know where everything is. But it's okay.
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Hailey Windham
03:57
I I finally navigated it.
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Hailey Windham
03:58
I know where to go to get to the uh conference hall and
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Hailey Windham
04:01
luckily where our booth sits, I can find it easily.
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Angela Diaz
04:04
Yes.
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Hailey Windham
04:05
Um Okay. So, let's just dive into it.
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Hailey Windham
04:07
You've worked uh in both a startup and the corporate environment.
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Hailey Windham
04:10
Uh what carries over when it comes to managing
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Hailey Windham
04:13
fraud risk and what doesn't?
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Angela Diaz
04:15
So in a startup environment you, because it's smaller, you don't
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Angela Diaz
04:19
have as many organizations that are working in silos.
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Angela Diaz
04:22
You get to have an understanding of every piece from fraud
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Angela Diaz
04:26
investigations um to data and analytics to charge racks and disputes.
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Angela Diaz
04:31
You typically own it and can see all of it. Compliance as well.
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Angela Diaz
04:35
Um when I was at a startup I was in the e-commerce space.
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Angela Diaz
04:39
So it was a little bit different, but you
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Angela Diaz
04:41
really get to to learn that whole loop.
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Angela Diaz
04:44
When, so understanding all of that made me a lot more successful
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Angela Diaz
04:48
when I went over into large financial institutions.
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Angela Diaz
04:51
Because in large financial institutions it's the organizations
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Angela Diaz
04:55
are so large that you typically really focus on one area.
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Angela Diaz
04:59
Um but you're going to be more successful in the area that you focus
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Angela Diaz
05:04
in if you understand the upstream and downstream impacts.
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Angela Diaz
05:07
Um so that absolutely carried over, and also foundational
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Angela Diaz
05:11
fraud risk controls apply in a startup and in both e-commerce
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Angela Diaz
05:15
merchant side and large financial institutions.
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Angela Diaz
05:18
So that benefited me uh as well.
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Hailey Windham
05:21
Yeah, it carried over and it's one of those things that even
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Hailey Windham
05:23
if the corporate environment maybe didn't have what you had
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Hailey Windham
05:25
in that startup uh you were able to bring that over.
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Angela Diaz
05:28
Mhm.
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Hailey Windham
05:29
Um, which I think is is super valuable and why
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Hailey Windham
05:31
I also love getting that outside perspective.
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Hailey Windham
05:33
Like when hiring um I had someone the other day say that you
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Hailey Windham
05:37
know for their fraud manager it's their former role was
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Hailey Windham
05:40
a branch manager and I'm like oh my god I love that.
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Angela Diaz
05:43
Yes,
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Hailey Windham
05:44
I love that they have that firsthand frontline knowledge
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Hailey Windham
05:47
of how and like what the the things are the how
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Hailey Windham
05:49
to navigate like different conversations.
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Hailey Windham
05:52
So whenever they are developing fraud training later like
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Hailey Windham
05:55
imagine like how connected they'll be with that frontline
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Hailey Windham
05:58
intuition almost um and be able to change that.
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Hailey Windham
06:00
So I love that outside perspective can come in
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Hailey Windham
06:03
and can absolutely influence for the better.
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Angela Diaz
06:06
Oh absolutely.
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Hailey Windham
06:07
Um so in our benchmark that we just uh launched roughly
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Hailey Windham
06:10
half of the institutions share data and workloads with
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Hailey Windham
06:13
BSA, AML, cyber security and enterprise risk.
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Hailey Windham
06:16
What makes cross functional collaboration work
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Hailey Windham
06:18
in practice and then what breaks it?
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Angela Diaz
06:21
So what makes it work in practice is and and kind of the same
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Angela Diaz
06:24
concept I I just spoke to is understanding what fraud looks
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Angela Diaz
06:28
like in different areas and how they intersect.
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Angela Diaz
06:31
If cyber doesn't understand what fraud is, how it's defined, and then
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Angela Diaz
06:36
what it looks like for them, they're not able to identify it in their
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Angela Diaz
06:40
space and make the connection between what cyber might need to do uh
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Angela Diaz
06:44
to fight fraud versus what the actual fraud groups need to do.
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Angela Diaz
06:48
So that's super important.
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Angela Diaz
06:50
Um where it can sometimes break um is in large complex organizations
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Angela Diaz
06:54
there's a lot of stakeholders and a lot of decision makers.
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Angela Diaz
06:58
Um so there can often be a struggle with understanding each
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Angela Diaz
07:02
perspective, um coming to a quick well-informed decision
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Angela Diaz
07:05
with the right rationale, and then being really good at turning
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Angela Diaz
07:09
that collaboration into strategy and execution.
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Angela Diaz
07:12
Um, so it's one of those things where strate collaboration, strategy,
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Angela Diaz
07:17
and execution are the three most important things to me.
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Angela Diaz
07:20
Um, I try to interlace them in all of of my work.
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Angela Diaz
07:24
But, um, that's in a perfect world.
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Angela Diaz
07:26
It does become challenging when you have different leaders,
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Angela Diaz
07:30
perspectives, um, goals, budgets, uh, processes.
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Angela Diaz
07:33
Um, so that's that's really where it breaks.
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Angela Diaz
07:35
But I think the key to that is a really
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Angela Diaz
07:38
good change governance program.
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Angela Diaz
07:40
I spent about a year in change management and
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Angela Diaz
07:43
compromised data as as one of my roles.
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Angela Diaz
07:45
Um, and I do a lot of change governance now. I'm a stakeholder.
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Angela Diaz
07:49
I approve a lot of changes with my leadership team.
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Angela Diaz
07:53
Uh, so a really solid change governance is key.
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Angela Diaz
07:56
Identifying who your key stakeholders are and your decision makers
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Angela Diaz
08:00
and kind of cutting out the noise, not having too many voices
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Angela Diaz
08:04
at the table, um, is is, you know, really, really important.
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Hailey Windham
08:08
Yeah. So true.
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Hailey Windham
08:08
Um, and I guess that kind of even answers the question
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Hailey Windham
08:12
of what does good fraud governance look like
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Hailey Windham
08:15
in the day-to-day beyond that policy.
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Hailey Windham
08:17
Where yeah, in in the policy we've got this, you know, almost like
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Hailey Windham
08:21
legal wording that you know this is this is how we do what we
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Hailey Windham
08:25
do, not the process, but as far as like how we govern it.
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Hailey Windham
08:28
And then moving into the day-to-day processes, making sure that
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Hailey Windham
08:32
what we've dictated as far as like this is how we view fraud.
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Hailey Windham
08:36
This is what we classify under fraud.
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Hailey Windham
08:39
This is how we this is our risk tolerance for fraud.
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Hailey Windham
08:42
Um I I love that that strategy comment
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Hailey Windham
08:44
that you were making about it.
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Hailey Windham
08:46
So if there's anything more to add on the the dayto-day
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Angela Diaz
08:50
So when we draft a policy, we're setting up what we feel um
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Angela Diaz
08:53
should be like the gold standard of how to fight fraud.
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Angela Diaz
08:56
And usually it does consist of the foundational things
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Angela Diaz
08:59
like having the right authentication in pa in place.
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Angela Diaz
09:02
Um how do we onboard you know what are the gold standards
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Angela Diaz
09:06
for what we should have in place for onboarding our customers,
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Angela Diaz
09:10
for transaction monitoring, risk scoring.
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Angela Diaz
09:12
Where do we need to all have step up.
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Angela Diaz
09:14
So we're setting just kind of an industry standard for what
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Angela Diaz
09:18
we think um good fraud risk management should look like.
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Angela Diaz
09:21
And then it's really important that then we work directly with the
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Angela Diaz
09:25
business owners and the process owners to understand their processes.
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Angela Diaz
09:29
And help them understand how the bank has defined
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Angela Diaz
09:32
external fraud at the policy level.
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Angela Diaz
09:34
How it applies to them with the activities
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Angela Diaz
09:36
that take place within their processes.
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Angela Diaz
09:39
And then what parts of the policy apply to them and how do they turn
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Angela Diaz
09:43
that into practical risk management solutions within their processes.
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Angela Diaz
09:47
So we do a lot, we don't just draft the policies and the
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Angela Diaz
09:50
standards and and throw them out into the universe.
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Angela Diaz
09:53
We do do a lot of collaboration uh again with the businesses
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Angela Diaz
09:57
and we're right alongside them with figuring out um
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Angela Diaz
10:00
you know what parts of that policy apply to them.
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Angela Diaz
10:02
How are they compliant?
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Angela Diaz
10:04
It's a very very long journey and it doesn't end because
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Angela Diaz
10:07
we also, as policy owners, should be paying attention
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Angela Diaz
10:10
to when our policy might be outdated.
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Angela Diaz
10:12
Or when something that we put into our policy doesn't really show up
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Angela Diaz
10:16
really well in practice and where we need to tweak and enhance.
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Angela Diaz
10:20
Um so that's where again that collaboration and feedback
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Angela Diaz
10:23
between stakeholders um is really really important.
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Hailey Windham
10:27
So true.
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Hailey Windham
10:27
I also love the idea that it's not just this department that's
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Hailey Windham
10:31
going to make a policy, live in this little black box where it's
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Hailey Windham
10:34
like, oh yeah, this is what it says on paper that we're doing,
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Hailey Windham
10:38
but not making sure that it's being lived, you know.
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Hailey Windham
10:41
Um, and that collaboration piece is so important.
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Hailey Windham
10:43
Because I I know even when consulting and trying to help an
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Hailey Windham
10:47
organization write their fraud policy, it was comparing it to
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Hailey Windham
10:50
the other policies, making sure that we weren't contradicting
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Hailey Windham
10:54
another one and also making sure that it it matched the overall
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Hailey Windham
10:57
uh, you know, theme and tone of the other policies.
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Hailey Windham
11:00
Because if it's a completely different policy that like
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Hailey Windham
11:03
you know, we uh, you know, copied from a friend or you
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Hailey Windham
11:06
know, cuz we didn't have one in place before, every
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Hailey Windham
11:09
organization is not going to have the same policy.
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Hailey Windham
11:12
They're not going to respond to fraud the same way and
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Hailey Windham
11:15
making sure that we have that documented as as specific
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Hailey Windham
11:18
as we can for our own organizations is so vital.
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Angela Diaz
11:21
Yep. Absolutely.
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Angela Diaz
11:22
And taking feedback from uh the stakeholders on how
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Angela Diaz
11:25
easy or difficult it is to interpret the policy.
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Hailey Windham
11:30
Oh I love that.
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Angela Diaz
11:30
If I'm, you know, if I were giving you directions
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Angela Diaz
11:32
to my house, your success in getting to my house
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Angela Diaz
11:35
depends on how well I gave you directions.
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Angela Diaz
11:37
So that's an oversimplified version of drafting a policy.
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Angela Diaz
11:40
And then the people that are reading the policy and interpreting
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Angela Diaz
11:44
it and having to apply it um is really important.
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Angela Diaz
11:46
So feed that feedback loop um and just being there for support.
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Angela Diaz
11:50
I tell all the leaders within the bank um you
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Angela Diaz
11:52
know we are there for support and guidance.
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Angela Diaz
11:55
So they can reach out to us any time with policy inquiries.
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Angela Diaz
11:58
And we will meet up with them, talk through it and then a lot of those
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Angela Diaz
12:02
meetings let us know what parts of our policy might need to be
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Angela Diaz
12:05
redrafted to be a little bit more understandable to the audience.
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Hailey Windham
12:09
I love that.
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Hailey Windham
12:09
And for the record, don't ever give me like north or south.
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Hailey Windham
12:13
Like don't don't do that. I don't need any of that.
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Hailey Windham
12:16
I need to know uh buildings uh you know
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Hailey Windham
12:18
turn left at the Hobby Lobby.
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Hailey Windham
12:20
You'll go down two stop lights and take a right.
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Hailey Windham
12:23
That's what I need.
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Hailey Windham
12:24
Don't don't give me uh you know the directions
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Hailey Windham
12:27
you would give uh the explorers. I'm not I can't do that.
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Hailey Windham
12:30
So yeah, I love that because also you know I have read policies
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Hailey Windham
12:34
before where I'm like god this just seems so like a high level.
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Hailey Windham
12:38
It's not specific enough to what I need to interpret
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Hailey Windham
12:41
for how the organization feels about fraud.
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Hailey Windham
12:43
So when you say like making sure that it is understandable to
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Hailey Windham
12:47
those that are responsible for that piece of the policy.
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Angela Diaz
12:51
Yes,
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Hailey Windham
12:52
That is so important and something that I hadn't considered
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Hailey Windham
12:54
in speaking it, you know, out loud before,
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Angela Diaz
12:57
Right?
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Angela Diaz
12:57
Your interpretation of the policy might not align with my intent
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Angela Diaz
13:00
of how I drafted it and that's that's really really important.
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Hailey Windham
13:04
Yeah. Um, okay. So, 94.
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Hailey Windham
13:05
4% of the fraud leaders in our benchmark
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Hailey Windham
13:08
track false positives, but only 69. 4% uh regularly report them.
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Hailey Windham
13:12
And teams that formally report them were 90%
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Hailey Windham
13:15
satisfied with their technology versus 71. 4 for for the rest.
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Hailey Windham
13:19
How do you decide what's worth reporting upward
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Hailey Windham
13:22
and how do you keep that efficient?
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Angela Diaz
13:26
So false posit positives are extremely important to to report.
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Angela Diaz
13:29
Um it doesn't, they're not as in my opinion necessary to report
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Angela Diaz
13:33
upwards as they are as they should be a focus for the actual fraud
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Angela Diaz
13:37
leaders as a feedback loop for where they are not being as targeted
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Angela Diaz
13:41
and accurate as they should in how they've set up their fraud risk and controls.
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Angela Diaz
13:46
It interferes with the customer experience which is really important.
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Angela Diaz
13:51
Um but usually when we're reporting upward we are focused
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Angela Diaz
13:54
more on high level metrics like loss dollars, complaints usually
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Angela Diaz
13:58
goes upwards and complaints and false positives.
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Angela Diaz
14:01
They they do go hand in hand to a certain extent because your
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Angela Diaz
14:05
complaints are also where you see your customers getting hung up um
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Angela Diaz
14:09
and where you you might need to be more targeted and and accurate.
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Angela Diaz
14:13
So I think false positives are more important for the actual leaders
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Angela Diaz
14:17
to consider as like feedback for where they need to tweak their rules,
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Angela Diaz
14:22
their alerts, their monitoring or change, you know, the onboarding
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Angela Diaz
14:26
experience like more so than it needs to necessarily go upward.
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Angela Diaz
14:30
But there are certain regulations in place for the large financial
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Angela Diaz
14:34
institutions around complaints um that might travel upward.
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Angela Diaz
14:37
But again, I think that that ties into false positives really well.
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Hailey Windham
14:42
So true. So true.
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Hailey Windham
14:43
It's definitely making sure that leadership is aware
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Hailey Windham
14:46
of things that could, you know, impact uh cause member
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Hailey Windham
14:49
harm or customer harm, reputational damage, regulatory
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Hailey Windham
14:52
issues, things like that, things that matter.
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Hailey Windham
14:55
Um, and I think the false positive thing like you were
Smiling blonde woman in a black blazer with arms crossed, standing in a room with a "LIVE ON AIR" neon sign.
Hailey Windham
14:58
even saying, it it says a lot about the vendor.
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Hailey Windham
15:01
And and what's going on for how your organization is using one.
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Hailey Windham
15:04
Maybe, you know, after tweaking there's still a a high false
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Hailey Windham
15:08
positive rate and that's whenever you know, okay, maybe it's
Smiling blonde woman in a black blazer with arms crossed, standing in a room with a "LIVE ON AIR" neon sign.
Hailey Windham
15:12
time to shop around, you know, um but without having to just
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Hailey Windham
15:15
say, hey, there's a new shiny toy, you're actually coming with
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Hailey Windham
15:19
with data that proves that there there's kind of an an underlying
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Hailey Windham
15:23
issue here or a gap that we need to try to fill.
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Angela Diaz
15:26
Absolutely. I am very very data driven.
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Angela Diaz
15:28
Um and in a in an industry like fraud like you really need
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Angela Diaz
15:32
to be data driven especially in the larger the institution
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Angela Diaz
15:35
um and especially the more complex the institution.
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Hailey Windham
15:39
Yeah. So true. Okay.
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Hailey Windham
15:40
Um you were also named um a Trust 25 honoree
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Hailey Windham
15:43
as a leader in agentic commerce.
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Hailey Windham
15:45
As AI agents start uh transacting on behalf of customers.
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Hailey Windham
15:49
What do you think changes for fraud teams?
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Angela Diaz
15:53
I definitely think it's we're going to have to have discussions
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Angela Diaz
15:56
and set like standards around accountability.
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Angela Diaz
15:59
So, if I'm choosing to use an agent um in the commerce
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Angela Diaz
16:03
environment, um you know, how do you identify that
A woman with dark hair, a septum piercing, and a faint smile, wearing a beige turtleneck and brown blazer.
Angela Diaz
16:06
that's an authorized agent acting on my behalf?
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Angela Diaz
16:09
Um who is accountable for the agent behavior?
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Angela Diaz
16:12
If I as a consumer claim that my agent did it, quote unquote, not me.
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Angela Diaz
16:16
Um how do we tie the identity together that the agent is belongs
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Angela Diaz
16:20
to me and I'm actually appropriately identified.
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Angela Diaz
16:23
So, that's something that we're going to have to consider.
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Angela Diaz
16:27
And just the decision um of do we allow consumers to use agents.
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Angela Diaz
16:31
My opinion, and this is just my opinion, it's not tied to
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Angela Diaz
16:34
any any banks that I've worked for, currently work for,
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Angela Diaz
16:38
is that we absolutely should um be forward thinking.
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Angela Diaz
16:41
And if our consumers want to be able to use agents, we need to
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Angela Diaz
16:45
figure out then how to manage the risk of of them doing that.
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Angela Diaz
16:49
That's the direction the world is going. Um, and that's our job.
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Angela Diaz
16:53
That's why we keep on our toes.
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Angela Diaz
16:55
We're constantly evolving new challenges, thinking through
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Angela Diaz
16:58
and assessing these new risks and understanding them.
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Angela Diaz
17:02
And I love that part of the job.
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Angela Diaz
17:04
Um, so that's how what I think it's going to look like and I think
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Angela Diaz
17:08
those are the things we're we're going to need to solve for.
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Hailey Windham
17:12
Yeah.
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Angela Diaz
17:12
And I'm here for it. Let's go.
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Hailey Windham
17:14
You know, I I'm starting to get on the same level as you.
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Hailey Windham
17:17
I'll be honest, as a small community bank, uh, and then credit
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Hailey Windham
17:20
union fraud practitioner, things like that scared the mess out of me.
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Hailey Windham
17:24
You know, I would think, why in the world are
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Hailey Windham
17:26
you trying to do digital issuance right now?
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Hailey Windham
17:29
You know, and like that's one of the things that like as a consumer
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Hailey Windham
17:32
I'm like please I need digital like I'm traveling you know now
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Hailey Windham
17:36
there's a fraud rule on my card and now you're telling me that I
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Hailey Windham
17:39
have to wait you know seven days for it to get mailed to my home match.
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Hailey Windham
17:43
I'm not home. I'm in another state. I am somewhere else.
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Hailey Windham
17:46
I need and there's no local branches because
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Hailey Windham
17:48
I was banking local or whatever. I I need that digital issuance.
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Hailey Windham
17:52
That that's a great win for me.
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Hailey Windham
17:53
Um I also struggle with like even account
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Hailey Windham
17:56
opening for like the teenager accounts.
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Hailey Windham
17:58
You know, I I finally had to go to, you know, one of the
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Hailey Windham
18:01
P2P platforms because I wasn't liking any of the banking
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Hailey Windham
18:04
experiences I was having, trying to make sure that, you
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Hailey Windham
18:07
know, my card can my daughter can have a debit card.
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Hailey Windham
18:10
Um, but I love that that you're mentioning uh, you know, just
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Hailey Windham
18:13
that the the way that we should be forward thinking.
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Hailey Windham
18:16
It It's not something to be afraid of as long as we have
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Hailey Windham
18:19
the data that's needed and that we approach it in the
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Hailey Windham
18:22
beginning ahead of time and not days before release.
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Angela Diaz
18:25
Exactly.
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Hailey Windham
18:25
But we actually take the time to understand how that technology
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Hailey Windham
18:29
works, what it looks like on the the you know issuer side.
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Hailey Windham
18:32
Um and if there are any data points that come over from
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Hailey Windham
18:36
you know the card carriers of of can they detect a bot
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Hailey Windham
18:39
or a uh you know agent that that's using the cards.
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Angela Diaz
18:43
Yeah. Risk avoidance is not risk management.
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Angela Diaz
18:45
Risk management is being willing to properly assess, have
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Angela Diaz
18:48
rationale, make really well-informed decisions, and then
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Angela Diaz
18:51
put yourself in a position to tweak and enhance as you
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Angela Diaz
18:54
go with how that risk manifests in your environment.
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Angela Diaz
18:57
Um, risk avoidance just isn't risk management.
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Angela Diaz
19:00
And this is one of those circumstances where I feel like
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Angela Diaz
19:03
we were going to be challenged because it's new.
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Angela Diaz
19:06
It's something we haven't seen before.
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Angela Diaz
19:08
But we need to rise up to the challenge.
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Angela Diaz
19:10
And, you know, I'm never going to let the bad guys win.
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Angela Diaz
19:13
And I want my consumers to be able to continue to innovate
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Angela Diaz
19:16
and bank in the way that works for them.
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Angela Diaz
19:19
I feel like that's our job as bankers to learn that and understand
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Angela Diaz
19:22
that and figure out a way uh to let to allow our consumers to bank
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Angela Diaz
19:26
that they that the way that they want to and state innovation, keep
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Angela Diaz
19:30
up with that this is the future like whether we like it or not.
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Angela Diaz
19:33
And no, it's it's actually not the future. It's here. Like
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Hailey Windham
19:37
Yeah, it's here. It's here. It's here. We're here at Money 2020.
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Hailey Windham
19:39
We see it. It's here. It's here. We know the technology is here.
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Hailey Windham
19:42
Uh, a final question and then I'll let you get back to it.
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Hailey Windham
19:44
I know that uh your schedule's been busy. So has mine.
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Hailey Windham
19:46
We kind of I don't know how many steps you put
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Hailey Windham
19:48
in yesterday, but I put in quite a bit.
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Angela Diaz
19:50
I'm getting like 20,000.
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Hailey Windham
19:52
Yeah.
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Angela Diaz
19:52
Yeah. Yeah.
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Hailey Windham
19:53
And and my uh my watch is like um is it you or is
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Hailey Windham
19:56
someone else cuz you normally don't get you normally
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Hailey Windham
19:59
you rarely meet your daily step goal. What are you doing?
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Hailey Windham
20:03
Has someone kidnapped you, made you walk.
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Hailey Windham
20:05
Um, so my final question for you is what's one thing
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Hailey Windham
20:09
you tell a smaller institution trying to build stronger
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Hailey Windham
20:12
governance with like limited resources?
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Angela Diaz
20:15
Oo, that's a good one.
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Angela Diaz
20:16
So, um, think about risk and controls when you build your process.
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Hailey Windham
20:23
Yeah.
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Angela Diaz
20:24
Um, because if you think about your risk and controls while you build
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Angela Diaz
20:28
your process, um, you won't have to worry about remediation as much.
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Angela Diaz
20:32
Um you will be in a much better position
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Angela Diaz
20:34
to innovate quickly when you need to.
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Angela Diaz
20:36
Because your risk and controls are already in place,
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Angela Diaz
20:39
you did them in parallel with your process.
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Angela Diaz
20:42
You understand how to tweak and enhance and have everything in
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Angela Diaz
20:46
a really good inventory and really good process mapping.
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Angela Diaz
20:49
That's something that we do in the large institutions,
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Angela Diaz
20:52
but we do it, you know, to the umpteenth million.
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Angela Diaz
20:55
And it's a lot more complex than that.
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Angela Diaz
20:57
But it's far easier for a small institution when you
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Angela Diaz
21:01
have ownership of several areas to to have everything
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Angela Diaz
21:04
a lot more inventoried, um and documented.
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Angela Diaz
21:06
So that you it's in an organized way so that it makes it so much
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Angela Diaz
21:10
easier for for you to act quickly to identify where in the process
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Angela Diaz
21:14
something is happening and how that ties to your risk and controls.
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Angela Diaz
21:18
So that's a very very nerdy risk management
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Angela Diaz
21:21
answer, but that's what I do.
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Angela Diaz
21:22
Um, and I've worked at many, many banks
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Angela Diaz
21:25
have helping them build that out.
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Angela Diaz
21:27
And I know that once that hard work is done and that
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Angela Diaz
21:30
foundation is laid, I know how impactful it is.
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Hailey Windham
21:33
I love that so much. Angela, thank you again.
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Hailey Windham
21:35
You are one of those people that as soon as
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Hailey Windham
21:37
I see you, my day gets instantly better.
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Hailey Windham
21:39
And having you on the podcast bringing your your infinite
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Hailey Windham
21:42
knowledge, seriously, there were several moments where I
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Hailey Windham
21:45
was like, gosh dog it, I don't have my notebook here.
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Hailey Windham
21:48
Because that was a mic drop moment that she just
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Hailey Windham
21:51
had and I didn't want to interrupt our flow.
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Hailey Windham
21:53
You guys will know which moments those are.
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Hailey Windham
21:55
Um, but I I'm so grateful to you uh and your leadership in the
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Hailey Windham
21:59
space, and thanks again for joining me on Fraud Forward.
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Angela Diaz
22:02
Thank you, Hailey.
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Angela Diaz
22:02
You're somebody that I just enjoy you allowing me to to use my voice.
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Angela Diaz
22:06
You've been an excellent advocate for helping
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Angela Diaz
22:09
me share my voice since I started.
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Angela Diaz
22:11
You're also an amazing leader in the space.
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Angela Diaz
22:13
And girl, you know, you got me on speed dial.
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Hailey Windham
22:16
Yeah, that's right. That's right.
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Hailey Windham
22:17
I think when I read your title, I was
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Hailey Windham
22:19
really most excited to talk to you.
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Hailey Windham
22:20
So, I'd love it if you could tell the audience uh a
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Hailey Windham
22:23
little bit about your day-to-day like with qualitative
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Hailey Windham
22:26
uh quantitative risk and fraud under one roof.
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Hailey Windham
22:29
What does that combination let you see
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Hailey Windham
22:31
that a pure fraud role wouldn't?
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Jared Tennison
22:33
So, that's a great question.
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Jared Tennison
22:34
Really, what it allows me to see is how, you know,
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Jared Tennison
22:36
modern analytics and mathematics apply to fraud.
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Jared Tennison
22:39
And I think a lot of times we look at fraud from more of a
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Jared Tennison
22:42
qualitative standpoint when there's so many quantitative factors.
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Jared Tennison
22:45
Whether it's velocity of spend patterns, login velocity, there's
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Jared Tennison
22:48
so many little quantitative analytics that can be, you
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Jared Tennison
22:51
know, used with mathematics to actually find fraud.
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Jared Tennison
22:54
Compared to the more traditional quantitative, you
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Jared Tennison
22:56
know, qualitative approach that we're used to. So
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Hailey Windham
22:59
I love that so much.
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Hailey Windham
23:00
I think that honestly it's just so interesting because
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Hailey Windham
23:02
for me, I'm not a math wiz, okay, at all.
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Hailey Windham
23:05
Um I might can help a little bit with algebra, uh but that's it.
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Hailey Windham
23:08
Well, I don't go into calculus, all of those things.
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Hailey Windham
23:11
And so, when I was even learning how to do a fraud risk assessment,
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Hailey Windham
23:15
understanding the math behind it, and how knowing like,
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Hailey Windham
23:18
okay, the inherent risk times your, you know, the the
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Hailey Windham
23:20
impact or significance will give you that score.
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Hailey Windham
23:23
Then knowing, okay, if we look at our control effectiveness,
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Hailey Windham
23:26
take away that from the inherent risk, and then
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Hailey Windham
23:29
you're left um with that residual risk.
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Hailey Windham
23:31
And knowing that you could actually put math behind it to kind of
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Hailey Windham
23:34
simplify it, makes things so much more relatable, practical.
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Hailey Windham
23:38
Um, so I love that that's your full role. That's really so cool.
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Hailey Windham
23:41
I love that GBank has that.
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Jared Tennison
23:43
Yeah, it's been phenomenal to actually get to do.
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Jared Tennison
23:45
It's works fun every day, obviously. So,
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Hailey Windham
23:47
You know, not many people can say that.
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Jared Tennison
23:49
Yeah.
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Hailey Windham
23:50
Um, when someone asked, "What were our fraud losses last year?
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Hailey Windham
23:53
How many different answers could you give
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Hailey Windham
23:55
and what decides which one you use? "
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Jared Tennison
23:58
You know, that's a great question because that's
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Jared Tennison
24:00
part of the problem I feel in fraud, right?
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Jared Tennison
24:02
Um, so a lot of times I say there's three different answers.
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Jared Tennison
24:05
All right?
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Jared Tennison
24:05
Uh, you have your first party, you know, your third party
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Jared Tennison
24:08
and your unknown, which is the biggest problem in our
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Jared Tennison
24:10
industry is especially when it comes to first party.
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Jared Tennison
24:13
It can be hard to kind of identify those losses initially
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Jared Tennison
24:16
when they look like a normal delinquent portfolio.
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Jared Tennison
24:18
So being able to kind of pinpoint those quicker is the
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Jared Tennison
24:20
key to our role, you know, because when you are recording
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Jared Tennison
24:23
it a quarter later, you know, nobody likes that. So
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Hailey Windham
24:26
Yeah.
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Hailey Windham
24:26
Um and someone um so I do an industry uh monthly
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Hailey Windham
24:29
call each month with uh other practitioners.
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Hailey Windham
24:31
And they were talking about uh where they differentiated
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Hailey Windham
24:34
like account takeover and account give over.
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Hailey Windham
24:36
And I thought that was so interesting that they
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Hailey Windham
24:39
were using that as as one of the factors.
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Hailey Windham
24:41
And then you know like you're saying where sometimes we
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Hailey Windham
24:44
have that unknown of we don't know if they gave it over
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Hailey Windham
24:47
we don't know you know we have to make sure that we're
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Hailey Windham
24:50
use utilizing the tech we have the tech we have sometimes
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Hailey Windham
24:53
we aren't able to properly identify it, you know.
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Hailey Windham
24:55
If we are missing that in our tech stack, but being able to really
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Hailey Windham
24:59
tie it back to something and then give those numbers.
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Hailey Windham
25:01
I think it gives your your organization overall a a different view.
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Hailey Windham
25:05
And also helps advocate, right.
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Hailey Windham
25:06
For for what's needed as far as resources and tech things.
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Jared Tennison
25:10
Yeah. And I think it also shows which resources are working.
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Jared Tennison
25:12
You know, if you're able to pinpoint those quicker,
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Jared Tennison
25:14
it really shows that the resources you have in
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Jared Tennison
25:16
place are doing what they're supposed to.
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Hailey Windham
25:18
Nice.
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Hailey Windham
25:18
Which can help them, you know, prove that they
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Hailey Windham
25:20
are the right person in the right seat. Right.
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Jared Tennison
25:23
Exactly.
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Hailey Windham
25:23
We we did a great job hiring this person. They caught it.
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Hailey Windham
25:26
And so now we're now we're proving that.
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Hailey Windham
25:28
Um so in our benchmark uh 91.
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Hailey Windham
25:30
3% of fraud leaders were confident in their loss data. Yet only 45.
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Hailey Windham
25:34
8% had channel level numbers that reconciled
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Hailey Windham
25:36
within give or take 20% um of their total.
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Hailey Windham
25:39
Does that surprise you or does it feel familiar?
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Jared Tennison
25:42
You know that's a familiar problem.
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Jared Tennison
25:43
So I got to say cuz we're so confident you know in that moment
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Jared Tennison
25:46
we're initially reporting numbers and those unknown variables
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Jared Tennison
25:48
that's one of the areas where they're going to pop up.
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Jared Tennison
25:51
So that does not surprise me here at all.
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Hailey Windham
25:53
Yeah.
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Hailey Windham
25:53
I also uh know that there's also that that give
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Hailey Windham
25:56
and take of like you've got the investigative the
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Hailey Windham
25:58
investigation that happened like for a reg. e claim, right.
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Hailey Windham
26:01
Um where you know okay this is a loss.
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Hailey Windham
26:03
But you're still waiting on Visa to finish their you know 60-day
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Hailey Windham
26:07
timeline and your your reg,e timeline was up 45 days.
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Hailey Windham
26:10
So you've got a 15-day window where you're sitting and it's showing
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Hailey Windham
26:13
like a double negative almost and but you're just waiting
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Hailey Windham
26:16
on that credit to come back from the Visa investigation.
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Hailey Windham
26:19
So that that sometimes will factor into it as well but I I'm
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Hailey Windham
26:22
I'm so appreciative to know that it's Not just me or not
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Hailey Windham
26:25
just the ones in the survey that that you see that too.
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Hailey Windham
26:28
Um where does the gap come from do you think?
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Hailey Windham
26:30
Um scam losses overlapping with channel where money
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Hailey Windham
26:33
left digital banking losses showing up under a
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Hailey Windham
26:35
P2P or account fraud timing manual reporting.
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Hailey Windham
26:38
Which which would you bet on first?
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Jared Tennison
26:40
Scam. Scam losses.
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Jared Tennison
26:40
You know scams used to be very basic and with AI how advanced
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Jared Tennison
26:44
that they have become I think it's much much more challenging
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Jared Tennison
26:47
sometimes to realize what's going on initially.
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Jared Tennison
26:49
So that a lot of times leads to that gap.
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Hailey Windham
26:52
Yeah, so true. So true.
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Hailey Windham
26:53
And I think that just that the industrialized scale that they're
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Hailey Windham
26:57
now happening at and attacking our our members, our customers,
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Hailey Windham
27:01
it's uh you know, it's an unprecedented time for us
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Jared Tennison
27:05
When they have resources close to our level. It's very
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Hailey Windham
27:08
Yeah. Um I just recently had a conversation um with Assaf Kipnis.
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Hailey Windham
27:11
Um and he said um you know, too often we right
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Hailey Windham
27:14
now are trying to use AI to replace people.
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Hailey Windham
27:16
Where fraudsters are not doing that.
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Hailey Windham
27:18
They're using AI to just become more effective,
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Hailey Windham
27:20
but they're still keeping the people.
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Hailey Windham
27:23
Like, they're just building on their level set
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Hailey Windham
27:25
of what they can do and what's possible.
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Hailey Windham
27:27
And so, we've got to stop trying to get rid of our resources,
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Hailey Windham
27:31
keep them in house, but then make us more efficient
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Hailey Windham
27:33
so that we can do more things, have these better
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Hailey Windham
27:36
uh scaled investigations and things like that.
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Jared Tennison
27:39
I haven't heard it put better. So,
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Hailey Windham
27:41
Yeah. Right. Um, okay.
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Hailey Windham
27:42
What's one definition of or data decision
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Hailey Windham
27:44
you'd standardize if you could? So loss numbers match across teams?
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Jared Tennison
27:48
First party. So first party fraud losses I would say, you know.
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Jared Tennison
27:52
That would be a dream. So
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Hailey Windham
27:55
Um I totally agree with that. Um okay next question.
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Hailey Windham
27:57
Prevented fraud is widely tracked but not always formally reported.
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Hailey Windham
28:01
Um and there's no shared definition of fraud ROI.
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Hailey Windham
28:03
How would you quantify the fraud that never became a loss?
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Jared Tennison
28:07
It's a really good question.
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Jared Tennison
28:08
Um you know I would say you know particularly for credit
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Jared Tennison
28:11
card portfolios when they hit your application and
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Jared Tennison
28:13
it prevents actual customers from coming through.
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Jared Tennison
28:16
That's a number a lot of people don't look at.
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Jared Tennison
28:18
And that's a significant revenue impact.
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Jared Tennison
28:20
You don't see it on the financial statements, but those
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Jared Tennison
28:23
type of losses where you're losing actual customers because
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Jared Tennison
28:26
if fraud hits, that's something that never gets reported,
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Jared Tennison
28:29
which is a huge financial loss for a company. So,
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Hailey Windham
28:32
I love that.
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Hailey Windham
28:32
I actually had a CEO tell me one time, he was
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Hailey Windham
28:35
like, I need to know an actual number.
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Hailey Windham
28:37
Because you you you know, uh whenever we get like
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Hailey Windham
28:39
the the debit card losses, it's like, okay, here's
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Hailey Windham
28:42
here's the fraud that was prevented.
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Hailey Windham
28:44
And the number's like astronomical.
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Hailey Windham
28:46
And you're like, "No way that that we prevented all that.
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Hailey Windham
28:49
" And it's like, "No, we did.
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Hailey Windham
28:50
" Like, but it does seem like a a crazy out of reach item.
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Hailey Windham
28:53
But if you can show like, hey, no, this is an actual
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Hailey Windham
28:56
dollar amount that was going out that we stopped.
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Hailey Windham
28:58
That's a that's a real number that they can hold.
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Hailey Windham
29:01
And and can make that, you know, a decision of,
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Hailey Windham
29:03
hey, they are actually doing something.
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Hailey Windham
29:05
This is not a this is not just an expense department, right?
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Hailey Windham
29:09
This is someone that's helping with recovery and um and and where
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Hailey Windham
29:12
we're keeping the the funds here or for our members and customers.
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Jared Tennison
29:16
That's put so well. It's like being on defense in sports.
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Hailey Windham
29:19
Exactly. Exactly. Oh, what is that? Special teams. Whatever.
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Hailey Windham
29:22
I'm learning. Okay.
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Hailey Windham
29:23
I'm trying to get better at my my football terminology. Um Okay.
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Hailey Windham
29:27
Uh if a fraud leader at a smaller institution wanted more credible
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Hailey Windham
29:31
loss numbers this quarter, what's the first thing they should do?
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Jared Tennison
29:35
First thing they should do is incorporate AI.
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Jared Tennison
29:37
You know, I would say there's so many phenomenal vendors out there
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Jared Tennison
29:40
nowadays that that's the really the first step that you have to
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Jared Tennison
29:43
take, especially for a smaller institution, whether you're building
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Jared Tennison
29:46
your own in-house models or contracting with a vendor.
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Jared Tennison
29:48
You know, you're just so far behind that curve
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Jared Tennison
29:50
if you want to report accurate numbers. So,
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Hailey Windham
29:53
So true.
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Hailey Windham
29:53
We we've got to become more efficient at what we're doing so that
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Hailey Windham
29:57
we can focus our efforts on the things we're supposed to.
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Jared Tennison
30:00
Absolutely.
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Hailey Windham
30:00
Yeah. Actually, I'll give another shout out to someone else.
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Hailey Windham
30:03
So John Wingate um wrote a book um Going Agentic just released.
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Hailey Windham
30:06
Um and I've I'm reading it now and that's one of the things
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Hailey Windham
30:09
he talked about is that hey you know I'm I you hired me as
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Hailey Windham
30:12
a decision maker and right now I'm spending 20% of my morning
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Hailey Windham
30:16
just clicking a button moving data from this sheet to this
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Hailey Windham
30:19
platform to this thing that's not communicating.
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Hailey Windham
30:21
And I'm being used as like the the central
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Hailey Windham
30:23
hub to to connect these things. I'm the connective tissue.
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Hailey Windham
30:27
And that's not what my role should be.
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Hailey Windham
30:29
But you need me to make decisions.
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Hailey Windham
30:30
You need me to be able to do these things.
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Hailey Windham
30:33
So, making sure that like companies are getting their dollars worth
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for the expertise that they hire to not be doing the busy work.
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And so, bringing on an AI or an agent that can help um you know,
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improve some of those things and get things moving quicker.
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Totally right. I so agree.
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30:48
That's put so well because the less time that we're making
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decisions, the less effective we are and that we get
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further and further behind the curb and fraud moves
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so fast that you just you have to be on top of it.
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Hailey Windham
30:57
So true.
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30:57
Okay, final question and then I'll let you get back to Money 20/20.
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31:01
Um, is there anything you wish more people in
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31:03
our industry measured or stopped measuring?
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Jared Tennison
31:06
It's a phenomenal question.
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31:07
Um, kind of back to my point earlier, I think I wish more people
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31:10
were measuring the losses of actual customers trying to get in when
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fraud is kind of clogging where you're creating too much friction.
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Jared Tennison
31:16
A lot of times with applications, you know, that's a financial
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31:19
loss that never really is reported or looked at.
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And I really wish more people were taking a look because if
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you can narrow that number, you're doing your job well.
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Hailey Windham
31:27
Yeah.
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Hailey Windham
31:27
And you're you're showing truly just how great of
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31:30
a of a department and what an asset you are. So, totally agree.
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Hailey Windham
31:33
I Jared, I can't thank you enough.
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Hailey Windham
31:34
I know that I kind of uh messaged you last week and was
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like, "Hey, would you like to come on a podcast?
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31:39
" I appreciate you uh taking the chance and joining me today.
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Jared Tennison
31:43
I appreciate you. It was phenomenal to be on. So,
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31:45
Awesome. Okay, that's it.
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Jared Tennison
31:47
Thank you so much.
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Hailey Windham
31:48
Thank you so much.
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Hailey Windham
31:49
[Fighters, if you're anything like me, your
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31:51
list of things to read keeps growing.
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31:53
Your time to read them though, probably not so much.
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31:55
That's why I write the Monday fraud fix.
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31:57
It's the newsletter companion to Fraud Forward.
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So, every Monday I'm sharing fraud trends that made me pause,
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what I'm reading, conversations happening in our community,
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and the fraud fighters that I think you should know.
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I also bring my take, you know, what it means for the people
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32:12
doing this work, and the questions we need to be asking.
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32:15
Every now and again, I might leave you a
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little Scooby snack to start your week.
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32:19
You know, I just can't help myself.
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32:21
You can find the Monday fraud fix on Substack or tap
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the link in the episode show notes and subscribe.
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I'll see you in your inbox, Fraud Fighters. ]
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32:29
So, Jeni Branter, you are with Royal Credit Union.
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32:31
Could you tell um the audience since this is your first
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time on the podcast, uh what your role is there and
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32:37
uh you know what it does it look like day-to-day?
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Jeni Branter
32:40
Oh man, that's a great question.
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So, I am the senior vice president of
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32:43
payments and digital experiences.
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But I've only been the vice president uh or senior
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vice president in that role since April. So, every day is different.
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Um, there's a many things.
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It's the first time this role has existed at Royal Credit Union.
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So, I am writing the future.
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I have no idea what it looks like, but I'm going to take each
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day, grab it by the horns, and do what I need to do.
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And what's exciting about that is there's no limit, right?
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33:08
I can I can build the future the way I think it needs to look,
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33:11
which means there's no roof that I can't break through.
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Hailey Windham
33:15
I love that.
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Hailey Windham
33:15
That is probably one of the best like innovative,
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33:18
inspiring responses I've ever heard.
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Hailey Windham
33:20
Um, and one that gets me really pumped
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33:22
and jazzed for this conversation.
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33:23
Because I'll be honest with you, when I was a fraud practitioner at
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33:27
a credit union, one of my favorite people was the payments leader.
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33:30
And it was because I was able to go to her, we spoke, I was able
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33:34
to sit with like her team for the digital check deposit team.
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Hailey Windham
33:37
Um we talked through some of their uh processes, things
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33:40
that they weren't comfortable with as far as like fraud
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33:43
prevention, went through updated parameters, and by doing
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33:46
that, she and I then just became like a force.
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33:48
And working directly with her, it's just one of those
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33:51
things that like there is there is common ground
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33:53
between innovation and risk prevention.
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Hailey Windham
33:55
And as long as you're working together, magic can happen.
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33:58
I mean, you can you can be pretty innovative.
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Jeni Branter
34:01
Absolutely. You just if you can dream it, you can do it.
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34:04
You just have to dream it within some level of reality.
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34:07
So I love to dream the future, give it to my team members,
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34:10
and then let that let them put the reality around it and say,
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34:14
"Well, we can do that, but we got to trade off here. " Great.
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34:17
I don't care. Change my dream. I'm just here to inspire ideas.
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Hailey Windham
34:21
I love that. My dream changes all the time.
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Hailey Windham
34:22
We were even saying that there's something I could say on
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Hailey Windham
34:24
a podcast 3 months ago that I don't agree with anymore.
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Jeni Branter
34:27
Absolutely.
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Hailey Windham
34:28
My mind can change. Change my mind. I'd love that.
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34:30
That new perspective, it helps you grow.
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Hailey Windham
34:32
It helps you learn and it helps you be
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Hailey Windham
34:34
a better person in the long run.
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Jeni Branter
34:36
Absolutely
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Hailey Windham
34:37
Love that. Okay, so I want to dive right on in.
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Hailey Windham
34:40
Um, you cover both payments and digital experience.
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Hailey Windham
34:43
How do those two seats come together, you know, on fraud?
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Jeni Branter
34:47
Yeah, I think that's a great question and and if if we're being
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34:50
honest, there's a lot of things that happen in the payments arena.
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34:54
The economy, the industry, it's always changing.
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34:57
If you don't have someone watching the emerging
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35:00
tech and payments, you're already behind.
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Hailey Windham
35:03
Yeah.
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35:04
And by doing that, it's easy to understand that the complexity
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35:08
that continues to grow is all happening in digital.
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35:11
So, they have to be partners.
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35:13
And if they aren't partnering, then you're missing the point
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35:17
of that's where you can interdict and stop your membership,
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35:21
stop your client from harm before it happens.
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35:24
Recovery is so much worse.
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Hailey Windham
35:27
Oh, so much worse.
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Hailey Windham
35:28
I've I've also been told that uh the the dollar prevented is uh
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Hailey Windham
35:32
you know much less expensive than than the dollar recovered.
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Jeni Branter
35:36
Um it it is.
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Hailey Windham
35:38
Yes,
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Jeni Branter
35:38
It is. In, not just in in words, in theory.
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Jeni Branter
35:40
Um but it's also your reputation.
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Hailey Windham
35:45
So true. So true. I love being on the the prevention side.
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Hailey Windham
35:48
You know, it's easier to explain uh that my my very
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35:50
good friend Jeff Taylor at Region's Bank.
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35:53
Says, "It's easier to explain a five minute phone
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35:55
call than it is a million-dollar loss. "
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Jeni Branter
35:58
Absolutely. Yeah.
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35:58
And it's their financial health and well-being,
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36:00
and that's what we're here for.
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Hailey Windham
36:02
So true.
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Hailey Windham
36:02
So, what scams are members most likely
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36:05
to run into in digital banking?
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Jeni Branter
36:07
Yeah. So, we have a couple of them that we see.
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36:10
Um, and it's it's may not originate in digital banking,
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36:13
but it's carried out in digital banking.
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36:16
And unfortunately, it's the romance scams.
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It is heartbreaking to watch how in love
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they are, and they truly believe it.
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36:24
And the other thing that we have seen is the human interaction.
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36:28
So the phone call or the text followed by a phone
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36:31
call claiming to be a representative of a royal.
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Hailey Windham
36:36
Yes.
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Jeni Branter
36:36
And our members unfortunately sometimes fall for it.
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Hailey Windham
36:40
Yeah. Yeah. I I hate when that happens.
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Hailey Windham
36:42
We've had several conversations uh with other practitioners
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36:45
that are in the the space, and we also do a uh monthly
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36:48
fraud call with uh credit unions and community banks.
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Hailey Windham
36:51
Where that is one of the things that are the most prevalent
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Hailey Windham
36:54
right now, is the uh bank impersonation scams.
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36:56
Where literally we had one instance where someone came into the
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37:00
branch because they were told they needed to do an investigation on
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37:03
a teller that they assumed was stealing money or something like that.
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37:07
And so as thinking that they were helping the financial
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37:10
institution because of a call that was prompted from the
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scammer, they then withdrew $20,000 out of their account
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37:16
and then put it in a bag and put it in a parked car
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37:19
in the parking lot of the financial institution.
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Jeni Branter
37:22
Oh my. Okay.
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Hailey Windham
37:23
And and it was all because, again it wasn't one of
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those things that necessarily happened on digital,
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37:29
but those scams are so prolific right now.
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37:32
And it's really hard to get in front of when when we're not,
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Hailey Windham
37:36
you know, we're so focused on that member experience, but
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Hailey Windham
37:39
we're forgetting about what the aftermath looks like.
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Hailey Windham
37:43
What's that experience like for the member?
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Jeni Branter
37:46
That's right.
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Jeni Branter
37:46
It's so much worse to have to try to help them recover because they
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Jeni Branter
37:50
were already vulnerable and they then they're embarrassed.
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Jeni Branter
37:54
I've had people come into the office,
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Jeni Branter
37:56
look at me, and they're in tears.
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Jeni Branter
37:58
Uh because they just can't believe they
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Jeni Branter
38:00
were that vulnerable and fell for it.
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Jeni Branter
38:02
That is so much harder to recover from than maybe
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Jeni Branter
38:05
making them a little uncomfortable up front.
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Hailey Windham
38:08
Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.
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Hailey Windham
38:09
So in our survey that we just recently launched uh it was a broad
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Hailey Windham
38:13
uh benchmarking report for community banks and credit unions uh 50.
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Hailey Windham
38:18
6% uh named that account takeover was a top threat.
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Hailey Windham
38:21
And digital banking is what fraud teams support most.
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Hailey Windham
38:25
We had 86% of fraud teams say that they support digital banking.
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Hailey Windham
38:29
How do you approach it?
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Jeni Branter
38:31
Yes, I think all of that is true first of all.
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Jeni Branter
38:33
So I want to validate the outcomes that you're looking at.
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Jeni Branter
38:37
Um, I think that's accurate.
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Jeni Branter
38:39
And there's a couple of different ways you need to to look at that.
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Jeni Branter
38:43
There's analytics after the fact where you're looking
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Jeni Branter
38:46
for, yeah, I think something might have happened.
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Jeni Branter
38:49
We better get involved now.
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Jeni Branter
38:51
But really, if you're not looking at propensity in the front and
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Jeni Branter
38:55
you're not educating along the way, you're not talking to your
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Jeni Branter
38:59
business members and knowing them really well, you are missing an
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Jeni Branter
39:03
opportunity to make sure that we have some gateways in place.
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Jeni Branter
39:07
And and I, this is going to sound a little
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Jeni Branter
39:10
difficult, a little painful.
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Jeni Branter
39:11
But when you're working with businesses that are potential
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Jeni Branter
39:15
for account takeover, it can it can sink a business.
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Jeni Branter
39:18
So, make sure you have contracts that require
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Jeni Branter
39:21
them to also have security in place.
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Jeni Branter
39:24
It is not one-sided when it comes to that. They can't use Gmail
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Hailey Windham
39:28
Yeah
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Jeni Branter
39:29
And never change their password and make it not secure and
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Jeni Branter
39:32
expect that other people are gonna cover that for them.
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Jeni Branter
39:36
So you have to have airtight security.
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Jeni Branter
39:39
You have to require them to be secure.
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Jeni Branter
39:41
And then hold them to it, unfortunately.
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Jeni Branter
39:44
And it sounds it sounds a little difficult but it's the
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Jeni Branter
39:47
right thing to do because when they suffer those losses
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Jeni Branter
39:51
it's on the back of everyone else that banks.
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Hailey Windham
39:55
Yeah,
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Jeni Branter
39:56
In the US.
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Hailey Windham
39:57
Yep.
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Hailey Windham
39:57
I'll tell you, um I I always love to, uh relate and give practical
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Hailey Windham
40:00
advice or or put it back into real world experiences.
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Hailey Windham
40:03
And I think it just goes just it's just like with our children.
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Hailey Windham
40:06
That tough love is for a reason.
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Hailey Windham
40:07
It is like I know you don't want to listen to me.
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Hailey Windham
40:10
I know you don't want me to have life 360 on your phone and
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Hailey Windham
40:13
all these things, these apps that I'm blocking from your phone
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Hailey Windham
40:16
that all the other friends get to have, like Snapchat you're
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Hailey Windham
40:18
never going to have till you move out of my house.
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Hailey Windham
40:21
Um, but I do that for a reason and it's to protect
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Hailey Windham
40:23
you, to make you not be a statistic.
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Hailey Windham
40:25
And one day you will appreciate it.
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Hailey Windham
40:27
It may not be today, but it's a it's a hard tough love conversation
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Hailey Windham
40:30
that I'm okay having with you, because I want to protect you.
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Hailey Windham
40:33
And I think that we've got to move to that role.
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Hailey Windham
40:35
No, I don't think that we need to treat our members like children.
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Hailey Windham
40:38
But I do think that we need to respect
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Hailey Windham
40:40
them enough to explain the why.
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Jeni Branter
40:42
That's right.
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Hailey Windham
40:43
And and let them know that, hey, this
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Hailey Windham
40:44
is this is why we're doing it.
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Hailey Windham
40:46
Here's why we think that it's important to do this way.
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Hailey Windham
40:48
And if you're welcome to tell us why you disagree with us,
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Hailey Windham
40:51
but in the end, we have to make that decision of we will
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Hailey Windham
40:54
not knowingly participate in fraudulent activity.
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Jeni Branter
40:57
That's right.
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Jeni Branter
40:57
We have to have protocols and we have to then provide them the tools
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Jeni Branter
41:01
to self-service some of that um so that they are the master of their
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Jeni Branter
41:05
own destiny and so that is that is some of our focus and a lot
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Jeni Branter
41:09
of we actually do some joint educational things for that.
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Hailey Windham
41:13
Yeah, I was actually just about to ask that.
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Hailey Windham
41:15
You know, uh again, another stat is that 67.
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Hailey Windham
41:18
7% name scams as the most pressing threat for any fraud program.
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Hailey Windham
41:22
Um how do you help your members spot them?
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Jeni Branter
41:25
Yeah, I think that is a great question and um I don't
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Jeni Branter
41:28
know that anybody's doing it amazingly well, but I think
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Jeni Branter
41:31
we're taking Yeah, I think we're taking stride.
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Hailey Windham
41:34
We are trying so hard
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Jeni Branter
41:36
We are.
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Jeni Branter
41:36
We are, but you know, you can't um you can't
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Jeni Branter
41:39
protect people from themselves sometimes.
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Jeni Branter
41:41
So all we can do is invite them to the table.
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Jeni Branter
41:44
So our fraud team has started doing some joint um educational
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Jeni Branter
41:47
sessions and and things where they invite our business teams, our
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Jeni Branter
41:51
business members, our business clients in to learn about fraud with them.
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Jeni Branter
41:55
They talk about it openly. It's a forum.
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Jeni Branter
41:58
It's a free forum where they can come and just have a discussion with
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Jeni Branter
42:02
the people that can help teach them what they need to know.
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Jeni Branter
42:05
Um so that's one thing that we do.
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Jeni Branter
42:07
But I think that and I already talked a little about
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Jeni Branter
42:10
contracting but then it's having the tools.
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Jeni Branter
42:13
So it's extending the olive branch enough that we have
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Jeni Branter
42:16
given them ample opportunity to help themselves.
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Hailey Windham
42:19
Yes.
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Jeni Branter
42:19
Um because that's ultimately what most people want.
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Jeni Branter
42:21
They don't want you to have to do it for
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Jeni Branter
42:24
them, especially if they're smaller.
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Hailey Windham
42:26
Yeah. No. So true. So true.
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Hailey Windham
42:27
And I love that you brought up the the solution or tool piece.
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Hailey Windham
42:31
Um you know, when extra funding is available, 60.
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Hailey Windham
42:34
4% uh choose technology first.
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Hailey Windham
42:36
Um and member education was a priority
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Hailey Windham
42:39
for very few in the in the survey.
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Hailey Windham
42:41
How do you weigh technology against like education or resources
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Hailey Windham
42:45
that can can help with that prevention side?
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Jeni Branter
42:48
Great question.
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Jeni Branter
42:48
I think that it is there is a balance and you have to
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Jeni Branter
42:52
strike it and it's not always going to be equal.
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Jeni Branter
42:55
Um, and it might depend on what's happening at the time, but I
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Jeni Branter
42:58
think that realistically, unless the technology is going to be
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Jeni Branter
43:02
trans or excuse me, going to be invisible to your membership
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Jeni Branter
43:06
or your client, you can't do technology without education.
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Hailey Windham
43:10
Yeah.
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Jeni Branter
43:10
So, you need to have at least an equal
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Jeni Branter
43:12
amount of effort if not investment.
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Jeni Branter
43:14
And um, some of that's just helping them
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Jeni Branter
43:16
understand this is what we do. This is what we offer.
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Jeni Branter
43:20
It's maybe it's not that they have to do something, but now
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Jeni Branter
43:23
they have awareness of what we're using to protect them.
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Jeni Branter
43:27
After all, they choose their financial
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Jeni Branter
43:29
institution to be a trusted adviser.
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Jeni Branter
43:31
They're not coming to me and giving me money
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Jeni Branter
43:34
because they think I'm going to lose it.
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Jeni Branter
43:37
They are expecting and trusting me to do what's right for them.
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Jeni Branter
43:40
So why wouldn't I tell them what it is?
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Jeni Branter
43:43
So I don't always think that dollars is the investment.
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Jeni Branter
43:46
It might be human resource that's the investment.
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Jeni Branter
43:49
And that's where we choose to use it.
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Hailey Windham
43:52
Yeah. No, I love that.
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Hailey Windham
43:53
Um, also comes with the the people helping
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Hailey Windham
43:55
people mindset of credit unions.
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Hailey Windham
43:57
I also have to uh point back to core values.
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Hailey Windham
43:59
Look at what your organization says is a core value.
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Hailey Windham
44:02
And whenever you notice that it's putting that person first,
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Hailey Windham
44:05
that's that's all the ammunition you need to to go to your
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Hailey Windham
44:08
executives and say, Look, there's more that can be done.
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Hailey Windham
44:11
I'm not asking for more dollars, but I am asking
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Hailey Windham
44:13
for for additional time that that I can dedicate
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Hailey Windham
44:16
to doing this one particular function.
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Hailey Windham
44:18
Um, and if there's something that we need to move
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Hailey Windham
44:20
within a department until, you know, we get that
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Hailey Windham
44:23
additional coverage, let's let's do that.
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Hailey Windham
44:25
Let's help make sure that we're prioritizing based
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Hailey Windham
44:28
on what we said are our core missions.
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Jeni Branter
44:30
Absolutely.
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Jeni Branter
44:30
And I think, you know, some of what we've done is we've we've
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Jeni Branter
44:34
implemented self-service education opportunities as well.
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Jeni Branter
44:38
Let them serve themselves when it's important to them to serve
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Jeni Branter
44:42
themselves, but have it available and easy to find.
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Jeni Branter
44:45
Um, so yeah, I I'm with you.
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Jeni Branter
44:47
And that is 100% the heart of what we do as a credit union is making
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Jeni Branter
44:51
sure that we've enabled people's financial health and well-being.
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Hailey Windham
44:56
So true. So true.
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Hailey Windham
44:57
Um, uh, how do you tell the story, uh, of a digital
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Hailey Windham
45:00
experience that's both easy and safe?
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Jeni Branter
45:05
Oh, that's difficult, but let's talk about it.
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Jeni Branter
45:08
So, a digital experience that's both easy and safe.
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Jeni Branter
45:11
I think there is a lot of invisible work happening.
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Hailey Windham
45:16
Yes.
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Jeni Branter
45:16
Invisible hands, let's call them, happening behind
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Jeni Branter
45:19
the scenes that are doing a lot of verifications. Right.
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Jeni Branter
45:23
There's probably some AI intelligence that's
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Jeni Branter
45:25
out there looking at is this accurate? Does it is it uh real?
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Hailey Windham
45:31
Yep.
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Jeni Branter
45:32
I've learned so much today at this uh at Money 20/20 for the
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Jeni Branter
45:35
companies that are doing things that I'm not there yet.
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Jeni Branter
45:39
And I'm thinking, "Oh my gosh, that's a great idea.
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Jeni Branter
45:42
" But it's that invisible validation because what
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Jeni Branter
45:46
you want to do, I don't promote no friction,
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Hailey Windham
45:49
Right
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Jeni Branter
45:49
I promote intentional friction.
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Hailey Windham
45:51
I love that.
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Jeni Branter
45:52
So, as long as those underlying technologies and invisible
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Jeni Branter
45:55
technologies can do validation well and feel confident, number
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Jeni Branter
45:59
one, that there's a propensity to not be a bad actor, to not fall
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Jeni Branter
46:03
behind, not be fall for a scam, whatever the case may be.
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Jeni Branter
46:07
And they are who they say they are.
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Jeni Branter
46:09
Let let it flow where it needs to flow.
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Jeni Branter
46:11
And when we get to the point where it's like, well, I'm
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Jeni Branter
46:15
not I'm starting to question this as a relationship.
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Jeni Branter
46:18
And you can't just look at digital banking, by the way.
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Jeni Branter
46:21
You better be looking across your entire relationship.
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Hailey Windham
46:25
Holistic Understanding.
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Jeni Branter
46:27
That's right.
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Jeni Branter
46:27
And when it starts to flag that, oh, there's a signal
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Jeni Branter
46:30
here that doesn't match with this other one.
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Jeni Branter
46:32
Introduce intentional friction.
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Jeni Branter
46:34
I would much rather, as you said earlier, have that moment
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Jeni Branter
46:37
of explaining why I introduced that and made them jump through
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Jeni Branter
46:40
a hoop, than help them recover their money later.
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Hailey Windham
46:43
Yeah.
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Hailey Windham
46:43
I I think one of my uh favorite experiences as a fraud
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Hailey Windham
46:46
practitioner was uh we were onboarding a new product or
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Hailey Windham
46:50
we were talking about the member-tomember transfers uh
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Hailey Windham
46:53
that happen in uh digital banking or online banking and
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Hailey Windham
46:56
which I'll tell you that's a big hole for some.
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Hailey Windham
46:58
Uh you know because it's like oh there's we don't
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Hailey Windham
47:01
need any uh any thresholds there because they're
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Hailey Windham
47:04
just transferring to another member.
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Hailey Windham
47:06
And it's like uh we need us some um and I remember you know we had
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Hailey Windham
47:10
an operating officer who was like oh So like we don't need a
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Hailey Windham
47:13
threshold like if they're going member to member we already know
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Hailey Windham
47:17
that this is a valid member they've got to have the member number
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Hailey Windham
47:20
and the share number and if they have all that like surely they must know.
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Hailey Windham
47:25
Well in you know next meeting we had our CEO go, I have a question.
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Hailey Windham
47:28
I was paying someone uh a contractor for a service that
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Hailey Windham
47:32
they did you know corn concrete or something.
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Hailey Windham
47:34
And he said and I went to do a member transfer for $15,000.
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Hailey Windham
47:37
Why didn't I get a step up question, why did that happen so easily?
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Hailey Windham
47:41
And I was like, I think that's a very valid question.
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Hailey Windham
47:44
Meanwhile, you know, my the product team was like, uh, that's
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Hailey Windham
47:48
what we were told, like member to member, no issues.
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Hailey Windham
47:51
And so being able to prove that like no, some friction is okay.
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Hailey Windham
47:54
Like because also it lets people know like,
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Hailey Windham
47:57
hey, we're watching your finances for you.
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Hailey Windham
47:59
Like we're not watching every single transaction you do.
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Hailey Windham
48:02
We're not looking at you as a person, but we are looking
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Hailey Windham
48:05
at the the transaction that come through.
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Hailey Windham
48:08
We've got our alert systems.
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Hailey Windham
48:09
We've got our, you know, transaction monitoring, things like that
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Hailey Windham
48:13
that are going to let us know when there are some, you know,
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Hailey Windham
48:16
an some different behavior that we haven't seen before.
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Jeni Branter
48:20
That's right.
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Hailey Windham
48:21
And so when we see those, we should require a step up.
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Hailey Windham
48:24
Or we should require some additional form of authentication
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Hailey Windham
48:28
that says, are you sure that this is you and
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Hailey Windham
48:30
that you know where the funds are going?
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Hailey Windham
48:33
Like you are so sure that it's your, you know, uh, the
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Hailey Windham
48:36
person who you're paying the contractor service to.
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Hailey Windham
48:39
Or is it somebody that you know in sent text message,
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Hailey Windham
48:43
hey, new phone, this is where I need you to send it.
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Hailey Windham
48:46
You you don't know those things.
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Hailey Windham
48:48
So, making sure 100% that we have the best interest
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Hailey Windham
48:51
of our members in in place first.
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Hailey Windham
48:53
And then know that there is a way to be
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Hailey Windham
48:55
innovative while still protecting.
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Jeni Branter
48:58
Absolutely.
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Jeni Branter
48:58
And I know like to get to the heart of what you're speaking of,
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Jeni Branter
49:01
I know we're working towards and we have some of it accomplished,
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Jeni Branter
49:04
but there's still so much to do and it'll never be done.
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Hailey Windham
49:07
Yeah.
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Jeni Branter
49:08
Um working towards kind of looking at that relationship and
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Jeni Branter
49:11
saying, you know, do they qualify for this service?
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Jeni Branter
49:14
And if they do, how much do they qualify for?
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Jeni Branter
49:17
And if they qualify for a limit, how fast will I let them move it?
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Hailey Windham
49:22
Yeah.
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Jeni Branter
49:23
And and that's the model we're employing so that you might not get
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Jeni Branter
49:25
the same limit as I might get, but it's based off of a risk risk model.
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Hailey Windham
49:29
Yeah. Yeah.
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Jeni Branter
49:30
Um and it's it's logical, right?
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Jeni Branter
49:32
And it's repeatable and it's testable.
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Hailey Windham
49:36
I love that. I also totally agree.
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Hailey Windham
49:37
I mean, if your average account balance is sitting at less than
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Hailey Windham
49:40
$1,000, why in the world do you have a daily limit of $25,000?
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Jeni Branter
49:44
Exactly.
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Hailey Windham
49:45
You can't cover that. Don't do that. Totally agree.
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Hailey Windham
49:47
Uh, I have a final question for you and then I promise I'll let you
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Hailey Windham
49:51
go because I know that we're just so busy here at Money 20/20.
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Hailey Windham
49:54
What is one thing a credit union can do this
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Hailey Windham
49:56
year to protect members in digital banking?
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Jeni Branter
49:59
Oh, one thing they can do this year is to stop, and be intentional
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Jeni Branter
50:03
about how they orchestrate things, about who they allow
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Jeni Branter
50:07
into things, and about how they move the money, how
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Jeni Branter
50:10
they transfer the money, how they remit it.
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Jeni Branter
50:13
So think about least cost, least risk, right?
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Jeni Branter
50:16
The member cares about just in time delivery.
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Jeni Branter
50:19
They don't care about I used a wire, I used a P2P.
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Jeni Branter
50:22
There are time and a place for all of that.
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Jeni Branter
50:25
But be intentional so that you are covering your
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Jeni Branter
50:28
risk because there we're all imperfect.
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Hailey Windham
50:36
Yeah.
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Jeni Branter
50:36
Members are going to make mistakes and you know what? We are too.
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Hailey Windham
50:39
Yeah. So true.
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Jeni Branter
50:40
And technology doesn't catch everything. So be intentional.
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Jeni Branter
50:42
That's the biggest message I have.
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Hailey Windham
50:44
I love that so much.
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Hailey Windham
50:44
Jeni, thank you so much for joining me on the podcast.
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Hailey Windham
50:47
I I hope that this is not the last time that we interact.
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Hailey Windham
50:50
I look forward to, you know, continuing
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Hailey Windham
50:51
to uh collaborate with you hopefully.
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Hailey Windham
50:53
Um and again, just thank you so much for
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Hailey Windham
50:55
taking the time out of your day.
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Jeni Branter
50:57
Yeah, thank you for inviting me.
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Hailey Windham
50:59
Absolutely.
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Hailey Windham
51:00
Before uh you know, we dive in, I'd love it if you
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Hailey Windham
51:02
just give a quick uh intro to uh the audience.
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Hailey Windham
51:03
You know, this is your first time, like you said, on the podcast,
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Hailey Windham
51:06
but I want them to know kind of the magic behind the man.
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Aaron Frye
51:09
All right. So, uh my name is Aaron Frye.
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Aaron Frye
51:10
I am the founder CEO of Lucid Point Consulting.
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Aaron Frye
51:13
Uh we specialize in fraud risk management related consulting services.
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Aaron Frye
51:16
Um we also offer sales related consulting for
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Aaron Frye
51:19
solution providers of anti-fraud tools.
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Hailey Windham
51:21
Love that.
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Aaron Frye
51:22
So I come from the industry experience.
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Aaron Frye
51:24
Uh worked in fraud risk at G Capital Sunrust
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Aaron Frye
51:26
Bank before they were Truest.
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Aaron Frye
51:28
BBVA USA PNC Bank and a payment processor called Swivel.
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Aaron Frye
51:31
I've seen a lot and I wanted to take a leap of faith to
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Aaron Frye
51:35
launch a honest uh consulting firm in fraud risk.
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Hailey Windham
51:38
I'm glad you did that.
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Hailey Windham
51:39
Um glad that we've gotten to uh meet several times and had uh those
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Hailey Windham
51:42
good candid conversations that you know happen at conferences.
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Hailey Windham
51:46
Um but now we're going to bring some of that uh to the audience. So
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Aaron Frye
51:50
Absolutely.
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Hailey Windham
51:51
Um you actually came to me with this idea at
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Hailey Windham
51:53
the last conver conference that we were at.
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Hailey Windham
51:55
Um and it was about the foundation of the unknown.
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Hailey Windham
51:58
Or like fighting fraud on a foundation of unknown.
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Hailey Windham
52:01
And so I'd love to know what does that mean to you?
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Aaron Frye
52:04
Well, to me it's kind of like the the the name
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Aaron Frye
52:06
of this podcast around Fraud Forward.
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Aaron Frye
52:07
Um, from the industry experience, everyone
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Aaron Frye
52:09
wants to always look to the future. What do we want to stop next?
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Aaron Frye
52:13
What I noticed was there's a huge gap in actually understanding
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Aaron Frye
52:16
what were the gaps we had before we try to move forward.
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Aaron Frye
52:18
You know, always trying to build without fixing first.
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Aaron Frye
52:21
And so again, I just recognize there's an opportunity to really
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52:24
communicate in this industry that sometimes you need to take a moment
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52:27
to really fix what you have to make sure when you do move forward,
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you're actually going forward with the right foundation and
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52:33
not with the continued gaps or issues we have today.
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Hailey Windham
52:36
I think you and I are drinking the same Kool-Aid.
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Hailey Windham
52:38
Um, we just released the fraud benchmark report for credit
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Hailey Windham
52:41
unions and community banks and I'll tell you that's one
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Hailey Windham
52:43
of the things that I I've taken away is truly we cannot
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Hailey Windham
52:46
think, oh, the next thing we have to do is buy a piece
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Hailey Windham
52:49
of tech and it's going to fix all our problems.
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Hailey Windham
52:51
No, you need to first understand like your infrastructure,
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Hailey Windham
52:54
what works around your own organization.
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Hailey Windham
52:56
Don't just think about a fraud process, but think about the
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Hailey Windham
52:58
overall process, how something works, and then look to, you
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Hailey Windham
53:01
know, you've got process efficiencies that that can happen,
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Hailey Windham
53:04
but also making sure that like the vendors are are doing
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Hailey Windham
53:07
what they promised they would do, holding up their end.
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Hailey Windham
53:09
I mean, go back and read an agreement that you have on a vendor.
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Hailey Windham
53:12
You'd be surprised what they're not doing.
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Aaron Frye
53:15
I mean, essentially looking at vendor agreements,
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Aaron Frye
53:17
what's not there enough is legit accountability.
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Hailey Windham
53:19
Yes,
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Aaron Frye
53:20
Usually the service level agreement type information and saying that
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Aaron Frye
53:23
we'll respond by a certain time and system uptime requirements.
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Aaron Frye
53:26
That is the basic check marks of having a quote unquote good
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Aaron Frye
53:28
vendor from a third party vendor management perspective.
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Aaron Frye
53:31
How do we make sure they're actually delivering on what was
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Aaron Frye
53:34
promised on that proof of concept or that proof of value.
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Aaron Frye
53:36
Um if they even did one?
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Aaron Frye
53:37
Um those should be strong questions that should be
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Aaron Frye
53:40
there and also most importantly understanding that
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Aaron Frye
53:42
fourth party risk within the third party vendor.
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Aaron Frye
53:44
What is being utilized and what's touching your customers?
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Aaron Frye
53:47
Is it their homegrown solution or is it another contract
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Aaron Frye
53:49
or service that's not outlined in the contract?
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Hailey Windham
53:52
Right. Yeah. Yeah.
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Hailey Windham
53:52
I think too many times financial institutions
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Hailey Windham
53:55
have been bit by that exact uh scenario.
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Hailey Windham
53:57
So it's super important to make sure that you are looking
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Hailey Windham
54:00
at those and again just go back to the basics, right.
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Hailey Windham
54:03
Of trying to understand why why did we
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Hailey Windham
54:05
get this vendor in the first place? Why did we get this solution?
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Hailey Windham
54:09
Why did we turn on this payment uh service?
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Hailey Windham
54:11
And then when you understand that and understand
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Hailey Windham
54:13
what it was supposed to be in the dream world
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Hailey Windham
54:16
whenever you uh launched it, did it meet it?
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Hailey Windham
54:18
Did it meet what you thought it would?
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Hailey Windham
54:20
And if not, let's let's go back to the drawing
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Hailey Windham
54:23
board or at least try to fix it.
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Aaron Frye
54:25
Exactly.
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Aaron Frye
54:25
I mean, essentially what you're talking about is what was
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Aaron Frye
54:28
that governance and expectations to be documented before we
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Aaron Frye
54:30
made this decision that's supposed to impact our first line
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Aaron Frye
54:33
of defense from a strategy operations perspective.
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Aaron Frye
54:35
Uh there's so much there in that second line of
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Aaron Frye
54:37
defense, what fraud governance should be.
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Aaron Frye
54:39
And from my industry experience, uh the stronger the second line of
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Aaron Frye
54:42
defense, the less chaos there is in the first line of defense.
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Hailey Windham
54:45
Yeah. Yeah.
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Hailey Windham
54:45
So some of the stats from our uh recent
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Hailey Windham
54:48
benchmark report are that uh 52. 4% use a hybrid model and 42.
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Hailey Windham
54:52
7 have a fully centralized fraud program.
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Hailey Windham
54:55
Um and that structure alone, you know, what we found is that
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Hailey Windham
54:59
structure alone doesn't tell whether a program works.
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Hailey Windham
55:02
So, I'd like to ask, you know, when nobody owns a fraud risk in
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Hailey Windham
55:07
the first line, what does that look like in a real incident?
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Aaron Frye
55:11
What does it look like when no one owns fraud in the first line?
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Aaron Frye
55:14
Um, it turns into a lot of fingerpointing internally.
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Aaron Frye
55:16
Um, someone wants to say, oh, that's operations fault or no,
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Aaron Frye
55:19
that was AML's fault or that was cyber security's fault.
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Aaron Frye
55:22
Uh, so, you know, it's it no one wants to
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Aaron Frye
55:24
be able to say and own up to fraud risk.
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Aaron Frye
55:26
And honestly, fraud risk is by far, I might be a little
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Aaron Frye
55:29
biased, but it's the most complicated risk to manage.
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Aaron Frye
55:31
Because there's literally no blueprint
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Aaron Frye
55:33
for success on the structure of it.
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Aaron Frye
55:35
Every other adjacent cyber security, AML, there's some type of
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Aaron Frye
55:38
guidance and regulation structure to have you be successful.
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Aaron Frye
55:41
Fraud is a free-for-all.
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Aaron Frye
55:42
Um, so when you start to have such a free-for-all,
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Aaron Frye
55:45
a lot of people don't even want to own the risk.
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Aaron Frye
55:47
It's why fraud risk is always being transferred from leader
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Aaron Frye
55:50
to leader like every 3 to 5 years at some organizations.
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Aaron Frye
55:53
It'll be under cyber security this year, operations the next year,
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Aaron Frye
55:56
maybe AML the next year, uh maybe legal sometimes or or audit
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Aaron Frye
55:59
will own it depending on the size of your organization.
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Aaron Frye
56:02
And that's why fraud is so inconsistently managed.
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Hailey Windham
56:05
Yeah.
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Aaron Frye
56:05
Is how you can tell a lot of people do not own
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Aaron Frye
56:07
it or understand who should own it or why.
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Hailey Windham
56:09
I'm so glad that you just brought that up.
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Hailey Windham
56:11
Um and so we we talk about um you know,
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Hailey Windham
56:14
second line and is it missing? Is it not enough?
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Hailey Windham
56:17
What's going on there?
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Hailey Windham
56:18
Um, and so the question I have for you is what
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Hailey Windham
56:21
should a second line actually do for fraud and
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Hailey Windham
56:24
what does we have one on paper look like?
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Aaron Frye
56:27
Okay, so roles and responsibilities for the second line of defense.
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Aaron Frye
56:30
Let's start off with at minimum they should
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Aaron Frye
56:32
be managing policies and procedures.
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Aaron Frye
56:33
They should be performing the gap assessments to say hey is the
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Aaron Frye
56:36
first line of defense doing this properly from a strategy perspective,
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Aaron Frye
56:39
rules change perspective, operations as well.
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Aaron Frye
56:41
Um how do we determine is this a good vendor or not to want to take
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Aaron Frye
56:45
time to measure to say hey are we getting the ROI analysis using
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Aaron Frye
56:47
these vendors the right way right um those just the beginning I mean
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Aaron Frye
56:51
having the change management most importantly building out the
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Aaron Frye
56:53
requirements uh needed from other adjacent functions from customer
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Aaron Frye
56:56
experience, your line your product uh your product owners line
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Aaron Frye
56:59
of business leaders as well to say hey if we're going to make
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Aaron Frye
57:02
changes in a fraud strategy what's that impact going to be.
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Aaron Frye
57:05
They should be documenting what's required from
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Aaron Frye
57:07
vendors to come in even do an RFP process.
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Aaron Frye
57:09
They should be able to say did they do a
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Aaron Frye
57:11
demo with the right end users involved. Where's the proof of value?
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Aaron Frye
57:14
Did it make sense or proof of concept? Did that make sense?
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Aaron Frye
57:17
Um, and importantly too, are we changing this out just based off cost?
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Aaron Frye
57:20
If you're looking at cost, then you should understand that you're
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Aaron Frye
57:23
actually doing a one for one change in the rules and configurations.
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Aaron Frye
57:26
Like what are you actually swapping out outside of the cost?
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Aaron Frye
57:29
That's just the beginning of what the second
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Aaron Frye
57:31
line of defense should be doing.
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Aaron Frye
57:32
It would look great on paper, but most importantly able to have
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Aaron Frye
57:35
consistent communication with the first line of defense, some kind
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Aaron Frye
57:38
of cadence as well to report out to other adjacent functions.
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Aaron Frye
57:41
Um from operations, from cyber security, from AML.
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Aaron Frye
57:43
How are you making sure that the fraud group is in
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Aaron Frye
57:46
communication with them um at the right time.
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Aaron Frye
57:48
Because they should be separate in my opinion, but they
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Aaron Frye
57:50
should work together consistently at the same time.
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Hailey Windham
57:53
So true.
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Hailey Windham
57:53
I think that that's one of the things that
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Hailey Windham
57:55
we we forget is a is a superpower.
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Hailey Windham
57:57
Doesn't cost any extra money to build that internal relationship
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Hailey Windham
58:01
to to make sure that that you have this consistent approach.
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Hailey Windham
58:04
And even just a a friendly person to bounce ideas off of in
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Hailey Windham
58:07
that other department where it's like you know Nyla Cortes
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Hailey Windham
58:10
and I were talking about that earlier where you know as the
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Hailey Windham
58:13
BSA person they have their roles and responsibility as far
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Hailey Windham
58:16
as like when something happens when they're alerted to something
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Hailey Windham
58:19
and fraud's responsibilities look completely different
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Hailey Windham
58:22
when they are alerted on the same transaction.
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Hailey Windham
58:25
But how do you make sure that one you're not doing double work
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Hailey Windham
58:28
and two that what you're doing it it complies with the regs,
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Hailey Windham
58:31
it follows policy, it follows protocol and the procedures and
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Hailey Windham
58:34
is being applied consistently across the organization.
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Hailey Windham
58:37
Um so my question to you is like what um how do you challenge a
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Hailey Windham
58:40
fraud program if you don't outright own it in an organization?
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Aaron Frye
58:44
Well, one you got to build a relationship with the person to say like
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58:46
hey we care about fraud as well even though we don't own you.
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Aaron Frye
58:49
Um I think that establishment has to be there first just internally.
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Aaron Frye
58:52
Uh second, you're going to be able to say, "Hey, you know, like
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58:55
is there anything else that you feel like you're missing?
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Aaron Frye
58:57
" Like asking the honest question and hopefully the leadership has
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Aaron Frye
59:00
the humility to admit what they feel like they don't know.
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Aaron Frye
59:02
Um and being able to document that in some type of like self-identified
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Aaron Frye
59:05
issued manner to be able to say, "Hey, like what do you need
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59:08
and what can we do to partner with you to close these gaps?
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Aaron Frye
59:10
Um whether sometimes sometimes funding is just the biggest gap where
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Aaron Frye
59:13
like, hey, I don't own fraud, but fraud doesn't have a great budget.
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Aaron Frye
59:16
59:17 Is there anything that we can do to help our
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59:18
business grow if we help protect the fraud group?
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59:20
" You know, understanding that commonality of like,
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59:23
hey, my line of business wants to grow.
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Aaron Frye
59:24
Fraud's going to technically slow us down, but they're
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Aaron Frye
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going to help us slow down with integrity.
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Aaron Frye
59:28
And are you achieving the same goals?
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Aaron Frye
59:30
And that's how you get the challenge, but become
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Aaron Frye
59:32
a partner at the same time, I think.
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Hailey Windham
59:34
Yeah.
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Hailey Windham
59:34
Thinking about the overall organization, not just a one
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Hailey Windham
59:37
new pattern or or payment method, but being able to say,
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Hailey Windham
59:40
Hey, yeah, no, let's make sure we're protecting it.
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Hailey Windham
59:43
Bring them on early enough that if they don't put up the the
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Hailey Windham
59:46
blocks or the the holds and like we're supposed to go live on
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Hailey Windham
59:50
Monday but you tell them on Thursday the week before it's not
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Hailey Windham
59:53
going to work out and they are going to be the bad guy.
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Hailey Windham
59:56
Bring them in early.
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Hailey Windham
59:57
Tell them what you're wanting and again become
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Hailey Windham
59:59
a partner versus um you know an enemy.
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Aaron Frye
60:02
Exactly.
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Aaron Frye
60:02
And again at the end of the day fraud group is just literally trying
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Aaron Frye
60:05
to help you grow with integrity and reduce the amount of chargebacks
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Aaron Frye
60:08
amount of the money movement going back and forth.
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Aaron Frye
60:10
It's going to save you a lot of money operationally as well
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Aaron Frye
60:12
when fraud is able to do their job well most importantly.
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Hailey Windham
60:15
So um I'm going to give some more stats
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Hailey Windham
60:17
uh from the benchmark report.
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Hailey Windham
60:19
So most teams run several tools uh you know 73.
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Hailey Windham
60:22
2 have enterprise fraud program.
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Hailey Windham
60:24
72% Have core card processor tools. 64.
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Hailey Windham
60:27
6 Have corebased monitoring. 62. 2 Have case management.
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Hailey Windham
60:31
84% Are satisfied with their technology. Yet 62.
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Hailey Windham
60:34
3% site false positives and 45% site poor core integration
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Hailey Windham
60:38
and we also have the issue of tracking those false
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Hailey Windham
60:41
positives versus reporting on those false.
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Aaron Frye
60:47
Yes.
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Hailey Windham
60:48
Um but why do you think teams um shop for a replacement
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Hailey Windham
60:51
before mapping what the old tools were doing?
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Aaron Frye
60:56
Uh I think what always happens is that you know you need a change.
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Aaron Frye
60:59
And someone just thinks well to change we need something new.
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Aaron Frye
61:03
And the only thought process is go find something new.
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Hailey Windham
61:06
Yeah.
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Aaron Frye
61:07
And also it's efficient to just go look for someone new.
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Aaron Frye
61:09
It doesn't mean it's accurate or the best way to do it.
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Aaron Frye
61:12
Um and it takes time to go and also do you have the right
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Aaron Frye
61:15
resources and the right capacity to take time to look
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Aaron Frye
61:18
back and say hey what is wrong what we have today to set
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Aaron Frye
61:21
that foundation before we go find the right one.
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Aaron Frye
61:23
I mean, I think one of the biggest challenges uh that
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Aaron Frye
61:26
continues to happen in the industry is not building
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Aaron Frye
61:28
requirements before you go select a vendor.
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Hailey Windham
61:31
Well, I like that. Yeah,
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Aaron Frye
61:32
That always happens. Everyone's like, All right, we need a new vendor.
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Aaron Frye
61:34
Let's bring up three or four of them, see what they can do, what's
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Aaron Frye
61:37
their pricing look like, what's the volume going to potentially
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Aaron Frye
61:40
be, but you haven't built out the requirements yet.
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Aaron Frye
61:42
And also, a lot of vendors are not in a position to help pull out the
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Aaron Frye
61:45
right requirements out of their clients in advance because you're
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Aaron Frye
61:47
expecting your client to understand what their requirements should be.
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Aaron Frye
61:50
Um, so I think companies just do not for some reason do want
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Aaron Frye
61:53
to take the time and be a little bit patient to build out
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Aaron Frye
61:55
the requirements in advance and then go to the market
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Aaron Frye
61:57
and see who's out there from a vendor perspective.
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Hailey Windham
62:00
I love the idea of building a non-negotiable list.
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Aaron Frye
62:03
Yes.
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Hailey Windham
62:04
Of this is what we will not budge on. It has to do XYZ.
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Hailey Windham
62:07
It must not do XYZ and it must meet this whatever
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Hailey Windham
62:10
you know thresholds we put in place. I think that's great.
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Hailey Windham
62:14
So we're going to build out a list of requirements.
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Hailey Windham
62:18
They can be our non-negotiables.
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Hailey Windham
62:20
And from that, don't don't deviate.
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Aaron Frye
62:24
Yeah.
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Hailey Windham
62:25
Stick to it. You know what you want.
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Hailey Windham
62:27
There are providers that can do it.
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Hailey Windham
62:29
Don't settle because someone looks like the shiny new toy.
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Aaron Frye
62:33
Exactly.
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Hailey Windham
62:34
Yeah. Um, how do you um inventory gap?
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Hailey Windham
62:36
So, when you're running multiple um anti-fraud tools?
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Aaron Frye
62:41
Oh, this this this is a fun one.
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Aaron Frye
62:42
Um just if if if each vendor claims that what they're doing, make
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Aaron Frye
62:45
that long list of configurations and attributes of what they
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Aaron Frye
62:48
can actually see and detect in their rules oper uh the rules
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Aaron Frye
62:51
opportunity and what the scoring looks like in a summary.
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Aaron Frye
62:54
If if a which is why more companies need a fraud
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Aaron Frye
62:56
vendor management function, a group that is just
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Aaron Frye
62:59
focused on just fraud vendors for your fraud.
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Aaron Frye
63:01
You cannot rely on vendor management functions
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Aaron Frye
63:03
because they don't know fraud.
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Hailey Windham
63:05
Right.
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Aaron Frye
63:06
So, you need someone in the fraud strategy or fraud governance,
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Aaron Frye
63:08
however you want to layer it, but put them in a fraud
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Aaron Frye
63:11
uh organization and say, Hey, how are we going to
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Aaron Frye
63:13
evaluate each vendor side by side we have today?
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Hailey Windham
63:16
Yeah.
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Aaron Frye
63:17
To help tell the story.
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Aaron Frye
63:17
That way, um you're able to say from a waterfall effect, if
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Aaron Frye
63:20
you do hit the next vendor in this process or within your model,
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Aaron Frye
63:23
what is the open gap that they're still not covering, especially
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Aaron Frye
63:26
if you want to change out that vendor as well.
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Hailey Windham
63:28
I love that you brought that up, bringing in that third
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Hailey Windham
63:31
party, someone that can help if or if it's an internal
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Hailey Windham
63:34
team that is your fraud um uh vendor management.
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Hailey Windham
63:37
What I experienced in my time as a you know community banker and
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Hailey Windham
63:42
credit union practitioner was we often times we had the C suite
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Hailey Windham
63:46
level executives, hey, here's our top three vendors that we chose.
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Hailey Windham
63:50
Here's what we want and then we demo them.
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Hailey Windham
63:52
We go through that whole process.
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Hailey Windham
63:55
But I can remember being again the lone wolf
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Hailey Windham
63:57
fraud fighter going, Wait, wait, wait.
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Hailey Windham
64:00
They're not even offering a fraud solution.
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Aaron Frye
64:03
Yeah.
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Hailey Windham
64:04
Like, Yeah, we're we're trying to update our our
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Hailey Windham
64:06
processor, but you've got one that is offering
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Hailey Windham
64:09
fraud monitoring on top of the processing. This one's not.
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Hailey Windham
64:12
What are we're not comparing apples to
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Hailey Windham
64:14
apples here like I don't understand.
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Hailey Windham
64:16
So, that was a struggle for me and knowing that I was the only
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Hailey Windham
64:19
one advocating for that or the only one that noticed it.
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Hailey Windham
64:22
Like imagine I'd have been out that day or sick that day,
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Hailey Windham
64:25
you know, and and then there was nobody that that would
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Hailey Windham
64:28
have seen that or would have called that out.
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Aaron Frye
64:31
Yeah.
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Hailey Windham
64:32
So, I think it's super important to have someone like that
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Hailey Windham
64:35
that if you are looking to have payments updated or a
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Hailey Windham
64:38
fraud solution, bring in somebody that knows it, that
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Hailey Windham
64:41
can ask the questions of, Hey, I've been there.
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Hailey Windham
64:44
I've I've seen where these agreements,
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Hailey Windham
64:46
they look really nice and shiny.
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Hailey Windham
64:48
So, there's a little teeny tiny, you know, writing down there, but
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Hailey Windham
64:52
you need to make sure you understand that whenever, you know,
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Hailey Windham
64:55
they allow a certain payment, the liability shifts to you.
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Hailey Windham
64:59
Have you read that fully?
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Hailey Windham
65:00
Like just because they're just because they're a solution
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Hailey Windham
65:03
provider doesn't mean they're going to accept the risk.
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Aaron Frye
65:07
Exactly.
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Aaron Frye
65:07
And especially having those type of like um accountability
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Aaron Frye
65:10
performance checks like they have in that.
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Aaron Frye
65:12
I mean, not I I I did this once and you know, sadly, it was a
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Aaron Frye
65:14
fourth party vendor that we did not know was a part of the solution
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Aaron Frye
65:17
that was touching our customers at a FI worked at.
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Aaron Frye
65:19
They literally had all of our customers fall through the funnel
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Aaron Frye
65:22
during a marketing campaign for a lending product.
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Aaron Frye
65:24
And all of a sudden, all they said was, “Oh, sorry.
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Aaron Frye
65:27
That fourth party vendor made a mistake. They've corrected it.
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65:29
Now, we we refund you the inquiries. Have a nice day.
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Aaron Frye
65:32
" Now, you have a very upset product owner that's
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Aaron Frye
65:34
like, "Hey, I just lost all these applications.
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Aaron Frye
65:36
Where's my potential revenue loss fee of some sort?
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Aaron Frye
65:38
" So like adding in that tough language uh to redline your contracts
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Aaron Frye
65:41
or adding it to new ones, it will help hold vendors really accountable
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Aaron Frye
65:44
and understand like hey this tool better be on point.
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Aaron Frye
65:47
Not just for that customer but for all of our customers as a whole.
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Aaron Frye
65:50
Which overall helps the vendor's reputational risk as a whole as well.
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Aaron Frye
65:53
To be able to be that flexible and work with your legal group to be
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Aaron Frye
65:56
okay with that kind of language that's not too common to find.
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Hailey Windham
65:59
Yeah. Oh so true. I love it.
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Hailey Windham
66:00
Like I feel like I'm the practitioner again.
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Hailey Windham
66:03
I'm like I need my notebook because I got to write that down.
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Hailey Windham
66:07
Um another question.
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Hailey Windham
66:09
Um you know if you had you know thinking of everything we've just
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Hailey Windham
66:13
talked about, if you had one week um to audit your own program.
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Hailey Windham
66:17
Where would you start
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Aaron Frye
66:20
Fraud governance function I would say do we have first
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Aaron Frye
66:23
of all do we do we have a fraud governance function
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Aaron Frye
66:26
does it actually sit in the fraud function.
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Aaron Frye
66:28
Because sometimes I've seen fraud governance groups sit outside of
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Aaron Frye
66:32
the actual fraud function and I'm like there's no way a governance
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Aaron Frye
66:36
group can manage fraud fraud, AML, ops, risk, all in one.
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Aaron Frye
66:39
That's impossible to do well. So, do you have a fraud?
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Hailey Windham
66:43
I love that you just said that. Impossible to do well. Correct.
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Hailey Windham
66:46
I love that.
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Aaron Frye
66:47
You can do it, but it won't. There's no way if your focus is not fraud.
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Aaron Frye
66:50
If your title doesn't start with fraud, there's
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Aaron Frye
66:52
no way your focus is only on fraud.
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Aaron Frye
66:53
So, do we have a fraud governance function?
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Aaron Frye
66:55
Are they in our fraud actual governance function,
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Aaron Frye
66:57
our fraud strategy group as a whole?
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Aaron Frye
66:59
And then, what are they doing to really hold people accountable?
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Hailey Windham
67:02
Yeah.
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Aaron Frye
67:02
And is there a documented some form of self-identified issue list
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Aaron Frye
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that they've already developed to to have proof that they're evaluating
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Aaron Frye
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and finding gaps and improvements in the first line?
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Hailey Windham
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Love that.
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Aaron Frye
67:12
That's what I would do first is like, hey, where's where's that
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Aaron Frye
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self-identified issues list that came from our second line of defense?
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Hailey Windham
67:17
Yep.
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Aaron Frye
67:18
That would be one of the first things I’d do first in our program.
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Hailey Windham
67:19
Yeah.
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Hailey Windham
67:19
And that's if you're auditing your program
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Hailey Windham
67:21
that you've had established.
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Hailey Windham
67:22
Now, I'm going to flip it and say, um, you know, what would
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Hailey Windham
67:25
you do in your first 30 days walking into a program?
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Aaron Frye
67:28
Um, in which role? First line, second line.
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Hailey Windham
67:31
I'd say second line.
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Aaron Frye
67:32
And second line.
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67:32
First 30 days is where's my rep repository of policies procedures?
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Aaron Frye
67:36
Um do we have updates on how often they've been refreshed?
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Aaron Frye
67:39
And also what's our policy look like as a whole?
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Aaron Frye
67:41
Like the overall program fraud policy.
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67:43
Are we including internal fraud in that policy as well?
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Aaron Frye
67:46
Um and are we able to classify what's deemed um high critical risk
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Aaron Frye
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anti-fraud vendor as well in our policy and how they're evaluated
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Aaron Frye
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differently than the day-to-day regular vendors within the fraud strategy.
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Aaron Frye
67:57
Um those are the things I would look for first the first 30 days.
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Aaron Frye
68:01
Understand that.
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Hailey Windham
68:02
Yes.
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Aaron Frye
68:02
Um cuz it's going to answer a lot of other questions.
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Aaron Frye
68:04
And then the other aspect within fraud governance is
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uh what is our fraud risk appetite if we have one?
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Aaron Frye
68:10
And then how is it measured and is it telling the right story?
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Hailey Windham
68:14
For the record, everyone should go and ask themselves
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Hailey Windham
68:17
what is our fraud risk appetite.
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Hailey Windham
68:19
Um and if you don't have one, if it's
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Hailey Windham
68:22
not documented, I this is your sign. Go do that.
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Aaron Frye
68:27
And when you do it, ask yourself, is it telling the right story?
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Aaron Frye
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And most importantly, what audience is seeing the
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Aaron Frye
68:33
results of this risk risk appetite reporting.
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Hailey Windham
68:36
So true. Okay.
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Hailey Windham
68:36
Well, now I'm curious though, what would you
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Hailey Windham
68:38
do in your first 30 days for First Line?
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Aaron Frye
68:41
From First Line, I would take a inventory of our anti-fraud
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Aaron Frye
68:44
vendors and each each process they're in. Hopefully, it's documented.
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Hailey Windham
68:49
Yeah. Hopefully.
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Aaron Frye
68:50
Um, and then I would just ask the end users from operation leader
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Aaron Frye
68:53
and strategy and say, "Hey, how do you like this vendor?
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Aaron Frye
68:55
Um, I think you'd be surprised how many answers are
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sitting with the end user from a fraud ops perspective
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or fraud strategy perspective for analytics.
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69:02
They they have all the answers about do they like this tool or not.
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Aaron Frye
69:05
Sometimes they've been stuck with a tool longer than expected.
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Aaron Frye
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And they're just on BAU like hey I've been told to use
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Aaron Frye
69:11
this tool and they didn't want to change it or they
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didn't have budget for a new vendor at the time.
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Aaron Frye
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I would sit with them to really understand
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69:17
what are all the issues you have today.
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That's that's making your life harder or
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not helping us do better at our jobs.
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Hailey Windham
69:23
I love it. Okay.
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Hailey Windham
69:23
So, our takeaways are before buying a tool, answer who
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Hailey Windham
69:27
owns the risk, who challenges it, uh what the current
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Hailey Windham
69:30
tools actually cover, and what you're measuring.
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Hailey Windham
69:33
Um, and and I love that because it it also kind of matches
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Hailey Windham
69:36
a little bit of uh what the report says, which is
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Hailey Windham
69:39
don't automatically add another platform, right?
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Hailey Windham
69:42
Look and see what you have.
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Hailey Windham
69:44
Make sure that it's working the way you thought it would.
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Hailey Windham
69:47
And if it's not, let's document. Let's make some changes.
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Hailey Windham
69:51
Let's make a plan. Prioritize with your leadership.
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Hailey Windham
69:54
Um and and then go from there.
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Aaron Frye
69:56
Exactly. Just getting a a strategic phased approach.
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Hailey Windham
69:59
Yeah.
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Aaron Frye
70:00
And also know like if a fraud ring pops up in the middle of your
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phased approach, how do you pivot and also get back on track?
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Hailey Windham
70:09
Yeah.
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Aaron Frye
70:09
Cuz usually when you have a phased approach, something goes wrong.
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Hailey Windham
70:12
Oh, you're going to get derailed.
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Aaron Frye
70:14
Yeah. No fraud, no fraud program can ever operate comfortably.
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Aaron Frye
70:17
It's literally No good deed goes unpunished. Okay.
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70:20
Exactly.
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Hailey Windham
70:22
Aaron, I love it.
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Hailey Windham
70:22
Thank you so much for joining me uh today on the podcast.
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Hailey Windham
70:25
I definitely want to have you back because I want to
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Hailey Windham
70:27
talk a little bit more about strategy with you.
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Hailey Windham
70:29
You've got my you've got my gears turning.
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Hailey Windham
70:31
I've just done uh two presentations recently on fraud risk
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Hailey Windham
70:34
assessments and I kind of want to dive into it with you.
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Hailey Windham
70:36
So, I think this is either going to
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Hailey Windham
70:38
be a webinar or another podcast.
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Aaron Frye
70:40
That sounds like a plan to me and there's
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Aaron Frye
70:41
a lot we can talk about in fraud. That's for sure.
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Aaron Frye
70:43
I'm excited for the next one.
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Hailey Windham
70:44
I love it.
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Hailey Windham
70:44
Well, thank you again so much for joining me
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Hailey Windham
70:46
and for, you know, attending Money 20/20. It's kind of big here.
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Aaron Frye
70:49
Absolutely. Thank you for having me.
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Aaron Frye
70:50
It's It's been a long time coming, so
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Aaron Frye
70:51
I'm glad we got to finally do this.
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Hailey Windham
70:53
Perfect.
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Hailey Windham
71:00
Thanks for listening to Fraud Forward.
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Hailey Windham
71:02
Remember, every conversation, every connection, and every insight
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Hailey Windham
71:06
moves our industry one step closer to stronger fraud defenses.
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Hailey Windham
71:10
If today's episode sparked an idea, share
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Hailey Windham
71:13
it with your team or tag me on LinkedIn.
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Hailey Windham
71:16
I love hearing how you're moving fraud
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Hailey Windham
71:18
forward in your own organization.
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Hailey Windham
71:21
Until next time, stay curious, stay resilient,
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Hailey Windham
71:24
keep moving fraud forward.