What's up, fraud fighters? I bet you thought that this was going to be episode 100. Well, it's not. I have a couple of tricks up my sleeve, and I'm so excited for episode 100. But it's not happening yet. But it will be a town hall, a live town hall, and I'm very excited for you all to see the guest lineup that I have selected for you all.
And truly, it's going to be one of those conversations that I can't wait to have. So okay, back to today's episode. So this is episode 99.1, 2BC, something. So at Fraud Fight Club, I asked a simple question. It was, if you had to describe the current state of fraud in one word, what would it be? And the answers, they didn't match, but somehow they all told the same story.
So let's start there. Acceleration. Ever-changing. Chaos. Scary. Nuts. Unmanageable. Complex. Insane. Growing. Challenging. Constantly changing. Fractured. Complex. Job security. Explosive, actually.
Here's what stood out to me. No one hesitated. No one said stable. No one said manageable. No one said it's under control. Every single answer pointed to movement, speed, change, pressure. So let's break that down. Acceleration.
I would say infused by AI. Infused by orchestrated processes that criminals are now executing. So we know about the scam compounds in Cambodia, Southeast Asia, now proliferating all over the world.
That is going to be very much accelerated by AI, automation and AI. Criminals are going to deploy all of that, but not only the AI component, just getting better. So one common thread that I heard at this conference is impersonation scams are really growing, and less of the other scams, less of the job scams, less of the toll scams, maybe.
And I think that's because the criminals are doing analytics, and they're finding out that those scams are really the authority scams in the U.S., at least, are very, very effective. Yeah. So they're doing less of the others and more of what works. So they're just learning, taking insights, sharing data, and doing what works for them to, unfortunately, scam our population.
Explosive. Actually, this is the highest volume of fraud I've seen in my 28 years in the fraud industry. It's evolving and constantly changing, and it just is not going away. For every step we make, they try to make two steps in front of us. We come back at it, and we're fighting the good fight.
But it is explosive at the moment.
Growing. Yeah, for sure. For sure. It is growing exponentially, I think.
Yeah. And keeping up is hard.
All right. So you heard words like acceleration, explosive, growing. That's not just about more fraud. That's about how fast it's evolving. AI, automation, organized operations. Fraud isn't just increasing, it's scaling, and not in a slow, predictable way.
Complex. Oh, yeah. For sure. For sure. I feel like, number one, you have to have that holistic understanding of not only payments, but your infrastructure, plus all the fraud threats. Plus, like, how do risk and payments and product and member service really all intertwine? So that's that complex word. I think, really, I was just talking to the head of one of the largest payment organizations in the world.
And no longer are we just analytics or investigators. It's always the end-to-end lifecycle, from data and analytics all the way to, like, almost collections. It's the full lifecycle of everything that banking has all in one team. Of course it's hard. And then our threats are hard, and they're doing evil things. And then it's not just like we can put a widget in. It's like it's just from case management all the way to the front end.
It's amazing. What a great field. Seriously. But it is tough.
Fraud today, I would say fractured, quite honestly. I think that there's been a lot of conversation around data sharing and trying to, you know, bring together various operators, financial institutions, organizations, and trying to combat fraud. But, you know, we're all still kind of siloed, and we're also siloed in our own institutions as well.
And I think that's probably a fair way to summarize it. But, you know, the other side of that, I guess I would say, is hopeful. I think that we all understand that that's the direction that we want to take, and we all just need to keep being persistent and push. And we'll eventually get to a point where we're together.
Ever-changing. One word, if I hyphenate it. Yeah, yeah. Yes, I would just say ever-changing. It's just constantly evolving, and it's kind of fun trying to keep up with these different trends, these different tactics that these fraudsters are using. Yeah. For me, it's like fraud fighting is the ultimate job for those with ADHD because we never know what we're walking into.
So it's always a challenge, and it's always fun. Keeps us on our toes. Always exciting. Always exciting.
Complex would probably be the easiest and safest way to explain it. Yeah. You know, a fraudster can use 50 different models, or 50 different fraudsters can use 50 different AI models, and you have to defend against all of them. Yeah. And that's just one form of fraud that we have to combat.
So figuring out how to combat all the different types of fraud through every type of channel, it's just very complex and costly.
Then you get complex, fractured, ever-changing. This is where fraud stops being a single problem and starts becoming a system. Different channels, different tactics, different gaps across the organizations. And no one owns it all.
Chaos. Yeah, I think simply chaos. But at the same time, it's like the ever-evolving world of how do we keep up?
And my second choice would have been like accelerating.
Oh yeah. Absolutely. Accelerating. Yeah. Absolutely.
I would like you to expand on that just a little bit because I agree, but I'd like to know in your world why is it scary?
I mean, there are a lot of jobs that you go to every day and you know what to expect, and you can build your day off of routine and expectation. This isn't one of those jobs, right? You get comfortable, and things change. And so what makes it scary is not knowing where it's going to change, when it's going to change.
And so much of our job is reactive, and you don't know the scale that you're reacting to, the thing that you're reacting to. You're just hoping you can limit it. So hopefully, one day we turn from this reactive approach to a more proactive approach and limiting. And I think things like Fraud Fight Club help us do just that.
I concur. And then there are words that hit differently. Chaos. Scary. Insane. That's not technical language. That is what it feels like to sit in these roles right now, to know you're reacting more than you want to, to know that the rules just keep changing, to know the stakes are personal for people on the other side.
What's up, fraud fighters? Quick pause real quick because I want to bring you into a conversation that I've been having with a lot of credit unions lately, and it all starts the same way. They're doing the work. They're fighting fraud every single day. But when leadership asks, how do we compare? That's where things get kind of quiet, right? Not because they don't know fraud, but because they don't have the data to prove it, right.
And that's the gap. We don't need more opinions in this industry. Trust me, there's enough. But what we need is real benchmarks from real institutions. And that's exactly why I launched the FI Fraud benchmarking survey, built specifically for community banks and credit unions. This isn't vendor-driven. This isn't sales disguised as a report. This is by fraud fighters.
For fraud fighters, it's about giving you something you can actually take back to your executives and say, here's where we stand, and here's where we're behind, and here's what we need to do to fix it. Because reporting tells your story, but benchmarking tells if it's a good story. And I'm not the only one who sees the impact that this could have.
I asked Jen Lamont what this kind of data could mean for teams like yours. And here's what she said.
I think something for us to really fully tell this story to our executives about the resources that we need and why, not only how we're doing currently, but are we comparing ourselves in a positive manner to other institutions our size? So I think it's going to be really, really powerful to help us tell our story.
That's it right there. This isn't just about data. It's about having a voice at the table. If you're ready to be a part of it, check out the link in the show notes. Let's build something that this industry can actually use.
Different words, same pressure. And if you step back, this isn't just a fraud problem anymore. It's an operating environment.
Unimaginable. Yeah. And the reason I say that is that AI, a year ago they started to talk about it, and then now I can't imagine my life without it because it is helping us develop the fraud industry. Not saying that it is making it so much easier to catch the fraud.
Unfortunately, it's job security. I was joking with my wife and saying, you know, funerals and fraud, those two things are never going away, unfortunately.
So here's what I want you to take away from this. Fraud looks different depending on where you sit, but the theme is consistent. It's moving faster than we're comfortable with. And that's exactly why what happens next matters.
Because in the next episode, 99.2, we're shifting from what fraud feels like to what fraud teams are actually doing about it.
Nuts. I think it's like pretty crazy. I've never seen so much happening at once with AI. Yeah, with what's happening in Southeast Asia that's mushrooming, with things that are happening in scams, all the stuff on social media for first-party fraud.
There's so much happening at once that it's almost like a tidal wave of fraud is hitting everybody. And it's getting that much more difficult.
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Okay, guys, you know what's coming. Stay vigilant, stay informed, and keep moving fraud forward.
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